O/T:- Force Majeur

[Mapperleypie]

How right wing people think. Stage by stage.

1. Coronavirus isn’t serious, same as flu, lots more people die of other things.
2. Coronavirus is serious, but if we let enough people get it then herd immunity will develop. We'll allow stuff like Cheltenham races to go ahead.
3. Coronavirus is very serious, but if we make people stop at home then it’ll be all over in 12 weeks/by Easter.
4. Coronavirus is very very serious and it’s all someone else’s fault when loads of people die.

This exactly - it's played out on this board and across the right wing.

The irony is that they were happy for a bit of an economic hit to 'get Brexit done' but not willing to take an economic hit to save lives.

Makes me think it was all about their own money. With Brexit they could use their capital to have very specific short positions (see how the Chancellor made his money). With this they cannot.

Frog face Farrage has proved himself - if you are an oldie and voted for Brexit thanks very much - but you are expendable now.

[countygump]

IMO, providing front line staff with PPE is more important than testing. Don't get me wrong, testing can be useful to stop the spread of the virus and to allow staff who suspect they have the virus to return to work but the real gamechanger will be the immunity testing. We're in desperate need of some good news folks but I fear it will be a good while before we receive any.

[navypie]

IMO, providing front line staff with PPE is more important than testing. Don't get me wrong, testing can be useful to stop the spread of the virus and to allow staff who suspect they have the virus to return to work but the real gamechanger will be the immunity testing. We're in desperate need of some good news folks but I fear it will be a good while before we receive any.

Absolutely. My wife is still working in children's outpatients at the moment and she's not been tested, nor as she recieved any PPE. Very worrying.

[LaxtonLad]

Can anyone tell me why there is so much prominence given to testing? I can see why medical staff need to be screened but for the general pubic? How do you get tested? If you do get tested and the result is positive, but have not developed symptoms, you will be unlikely to be admitted to hospital but told to go home and self-isolate. If the result is negative - what then? Told to go home and self-isolate is what.

If your result was positive but later you died from any other illness, as covid19 is now a notifiable disease, you would be classified as having died WITH covid19 even if it wasn't that virus that actually killed you. There is a difference between dying FROM covid19 and dying WITH it. Specialists estimate that fatalities FROM the actual virus are about 12% of the total who have died WITH it.

This brings into perspective the statistics coming from Germany. They are giving their number of deaths FROM covid19 but others including the UK and Italy are giving out numbers of deaths of people WITH it.

[countygump]

Can anyone tell me why there is so much prominence given to testing? I can see why medical staff need to be screened but for the general pubic? How do you get tested? If you do get tested and the result is positive, but have not developed symptoms, you will be unlikely to be admitted to hospital but told to go home and self-isolate. If the result is negative - what then? Told to go home and self-isolate is what.

If your result was positive but later you died from any other illness, as covid19 is now a notifiable disease, you would be classified as having died WITH covid19 even if it wasn't that virus that actually killed you. There is a difference between dying FROM covid19 and dying WITH it. Specialists estimate that fatalities FROM the actual virus are about 12% of the total who have died WITH it.

This brings into perspective the statistics coming from Germany. They are giving their number of deaths FROM covid19 but others including the UK and Italy are giving out numbers of deaths of people WITH it.

Agreed Lax. A person suspects that they have Covid, they are tested and the result is confirmed, is that really useful when they would self-isolate anyway? Other than for front line staff, testing is a bit of a red herring. Your last paragraph, if accurate, certainly makes for interesting reading.

[dam617]

Can anyone tell me why there is so much prominence given to testing? I can see why medical staff need to be screened but for the general pubic? How do you get tested? If you do get tested and the result is positive, but have not developed symptoms, you will be unlikely to be admitted to hospital but told to go home and self-isolate. If the result is negative - what then? Told to go home and self-isolate is what.

If your result was positive but later you died from any other illness, as covid19 is now a notifiable disease, you would be classified as having died WITH covid19 even if it wasn't that virus that actually killed you. There is a difference between dying FROM covid19 and dying WITH it. Specialists estimate that fatalities FROM the actual virus are about 12% of the total who have died WITH it.

This brings into perspective the statistics coming from Germany. They are giving their number of deaths FROM covid19 but others including the UK and Italy are giving out numbers of deaths of people WITH it.

Your last paragraph is very telling.

Muddying the waters, at the beginning of this outbreak the phrase 'underlying health conditions' was very prevalent - the exception being the case of the 21 year-old girl who was widely reported as the 'youngest victim'.

Except she wasn't of course. She didn't have flu, she has asthma and was apparently a 'low priority' for an ambulance.

[queenslandpie]

Can anyone tell me why there is so much prominence given to testing? I can see why medical staff need to be screened but for the general pubic? How do you get tested? If you do get tested and the result is positive, but have not developed symptoms, you will be unlikely to be admitted to hospital but told to go home and self-isolate. If the result is negative - what then? Told to go home and self-isolate is what.

If your result was positive but later you died from any other illness, as covid19 is now a notifiable disease, you would be classified as having died WITH covid19 even if it wasn't that virus that actually killed you. There is a difference between dying FROM covid19 and dying WITH it. Specialists estimate that fatalities FROM the actual virus are about 12% of the total who have died WITH it.

This brings into perspective the statistics coming from Germany. They are giving their number of deaths FROM covid19 but others including the UK and Italy are giving out numbers of deaths of people WITH it.

It depends on the country in question. I can certainly see from the UK perspective why it is considered less important as you are already staring down the barrel of a gun. Here the isolation measures are not yet as draconian and as such the risk of community transition is high. As a result testing is more important so that community transmission occurs much less. If the UK had got its act together earlier it would need more testing.

[tarquinbeech]

It depends on the country in question. I can certainly see from the UK perspective why it is considered less important as you are already staring down the barrel of a gun. Here the isolation measures are not yet as draconian and as such the risk of community transition is high. As a result testing is more important so that community transmission occurs much less. If the UK had got its act together earlier it would need more testing.

This whole testing thingy has me slightly confused as well.

Government advice is STOP AT HOME.......Prince Charles and Boris both tested positive.....advice is STAY AT HOME.....what was the point?

It would make sense if it was solely for NHS staff or supermarket checkout operators, or hospital cleaners only, but spunking away time and effort and money and kits testing Joe Bloggs who recently returned from a Chelters trip, is surely just a waste of time and resources......we could have spent all those resources testing people that are gonna get us through this, and the people doing the testing could be sat in the hospital trying to keep people alive.

Testing everyone is pointless......just tell them all to stay home and shoot them in the kneecaps if they venture outside without a fever and a dry cough.

Vote Tarkers at the next election.....it makes sense.

[LaxtonLad]

This whole testing thingy has me slightly confused as well.

Government advice is STOP AT HOME.......Prince Charles and Boris both tested positive.....advice is STAY AT HOME.....what was the point?

It would make sense if it was solely for NHS staff or supermarket checkout operators, or hospital cleaners only, but spunking away time and effort and money and kits testing Joe Bloggs who recently returned from a Chelters trip, is surely just a waste of time and resources......we could have spent all those resources testing people that are gonna get us through this, and the people doing the testing could be sat in the hospital trying to keep people alive.

Testing everyone is pointless......just tell them all to stay home and shoot them in the kneecaps if they venture outside without a fever and a dry cough.

Vote Tarkers at the next election.....it makes sense.

Tarkers para El Presidente, larga vida el hombre Ingles!