O/T Coronavirus Thread (3)

[rolymiller]

No matter what measures are put in place and for how long they run, not a single life will be saved. Not one. What they will/might do is extend some lives for a period of time. This is an important distinction because extending those lives is coming at the cost of shortening others.

Figures for the first week in April suggest there were around 10,000 'excess' deaths with around 60% being connected to(but not necessarily caused by) the virus. That means there were 4,000 other deaths which weren't expected and weren't connected to the virus. Some may have been connected, but unidentified, but it's fair to assume that a lot of people are dying who otherwise wouldn't, and not a great leap to assume that the current situation is having a major impact.

Now going back to my first point, these lockdown measures are extending some lives, but by how much? Similarly they're shortening some lives, but by how much? What if the average person who dies with Covid-19 had only 9 months to live and the average person who died through colateral damage had three years? Not saying that's the case, but the real numbers may be an eye-opener. We surely need to look at the amount of life lost through different courses of action rather than the number of lives lost.

You'd like to think that those making the decisions are looking at the full picture but I wouldn't bank on it.

Take your point Lasterman but for those who are losing relatives the maths isn't a comfort to em. Think how you would feel if one of your close relatives was rushed into hospital with the virus...or even yourself...

[Lasterman]

Take your point Lasterman but for those who are losing relatives the maths isn't a comfort to em. Think how you would feel if one of your close relatives was rushed into hospital with the virus...or even yourself...

Indeed, but to hammer home my point, how I might feel if someone close to me was being denied life-extending cancer treatment because of the lockdown. I actually know two people in that position but not close.

[KerrAvon]

Indeed, but to hammer home my point, how I might feel if someone close to me was being denied life-extending cancer treatment because of the lockdown. I actually know two people in that position but not close.

It's an interesting point. Twitter is full of people of a particular political persuasion who suggest that the government has put the economy before lives, whereas, in fact, the economy is also about lives.

We live in a world where every government move is pored over on Social Media by a population who think there are easy answers, when there aren't.

[howdydoo]

It's an interesting point. Twitter is full of people of a particular political persuasion who suggest that the government has put the economy before lives, whereas, in fact, the economy is also about lives.

We live in a world where every government move is pored over on Social Media by a population who think there are easy answers, when there aren't.

That statement might be a tad harsh, against the majority of the population to be honest.

[mikemiller]

Quote (BBC News website) from the man who is sitting on top of the world's biggest stockpile of nuclear weapons...



Company that makes Dettol has just issued statement saying that, under no circumstances, should their product be injected!
You couldn't make this stuff up...

[rolymiller]

Quote (BBC News website) from the man who is sitting on top of the world's biggest stockpile of nuclear weapons...



Company that makes Dettol has just issued statement that, under no circumstances should their product be injected!
You couldn't make this stuff up...

I dunno. i think Trump should have the first trial!

[Lasterman]

Quote (BBC News website) from the man who is sitting on top of the world's biggest stockpile of nuclear weapons...



Company that makes Dettol has just issued statement saying that, under no circumstances, should their product be injected!
You couldn't make this stuff up...

To be fair, they've only issued that statement in Barnsley. Someone posted back to ask if they could carry on drinking it.