Restart

[ozleeds]

Te facts i quote are just those, facts (number of deaths and what Covid does to help kill). How we react is driven by a lot less factual information.

WTF this virus and influenza are 2 different things the first is man-made which has the potential to kill as it wishes. By governments putting measures as they have has helped to slow it down. Influenza is a natural virus that also kills people. The difference is the man-made part which as we all know humans are capable of anything.
I'm sitting here reading that the USA has over 1 mil cases and that is half of the rest of the world. Did China want to send a message to the usa and as a result the rest of the world has copped it as well?
On sport been allowed back early it can work as here in Australia apart from the island of Tasmania Horse racing hasn't stopped like the rest of the world and even though they are suffering from people unable to attend the races as the revenue they lose can't be replaced. Add to that sponsors not been able to meet the obligations they have made where is the money going to come from? Say Leeds were allowed to start playing tomorrow without fans where is the club going to find the money to pay players and staff? People business is suffering but its too early to go back to normal.
So Sports is allowed to restart but the question is can you trust us to do the right thing? Just cause one industry in one country has got it right doesnt mean the rest would follow suit.

[WTF11]

WTF this virus and influenza are 2 different things the first is man-made which has the potential to kill as it wishes. By governments putting measures as they have has helped to slow it down. Influenza is a natural virus that also kills people. The difference is the man-made part which as we all know humans are capable of anything.
I'm sitting here reading that the USA has over 1 mil cases and that is half of the rest of the world. Did China want to send a message to the usa and as a result the rest of the world has copped it as well?
On sport been allowed back early it can work as here in Australia apart from the island of Tasmania Horse racing hasn't stopped like the rest of the world and even though they are suffering from people unable to attend the races as the revenue they lose can't be replaced. Add to that sponsors not been able to meet the obligations they have made where is the money going to come from? Say Leeds were allowed to start playing tomorrow without fans where is the club going to find the money to pay players and staff? People business is suffering but its too early to go back to normal.
So Sports is allowed to restart but the question is can you trust us to do the right thing? Just cause one industry in one country has got it right doesnt mean the rest would follow suit.

Well, either the Chinese are the worlds worst at developing and distributing a "killer" virus, or it isnt man made, you cant have it both ways.....

Man made, in China....so why release it at the beginning of winter, when delaying by just 3 months would have meant it would have started to make itself felt just a hundreds of thousands of Chinese wiuld be descending on Tokyo for the Olympics, the perfect means of distributing a highly infectious biological agent throughout the world?

Man made....but f00king useless at killing on its own, dependent upon killing the old, infirm, medically compromised (just the kind of people who place the largest burden in western health systems, so "getting rid" is like pruning the population, hardly the mark of an effective use if bioligical warfare?)

Natural.....likely to mutate just as previous corono virus syrains have, and which makes the stupendously expensive search for a vaccine about as much use as a chocolate teapot.

Natural.......in the absence of a vaccine (see above), the otherwise healthy population can act as a shield for those who this less-than-lethal killer is a real threat to.

Or, we can resign ourselves to walking round with t-shirts wrapped around kitchen towels covering our faces, queuing up to drink the two pints we're allowed before we have to go home, and watch non-spectator sport and by that i mean EVERY F00KING SPORT, amongst a whole other set of non-living actions and activities that defy logic.

[ozleeds]

Well, either the Chinese are the worlds worst at developing and distributing a "killer" virus, or it isnt man made, you cant have it both ways.....

Man made, in China....so why release it at the beginning of winter, when delaying by just 3 months would have meant it would have started to make itself felt just a hundreds of thousands of Chinese wiuld be descending on Tokyo for the Olympics, the perfect means of distributing a highly infectious biological agent throughout the world?

Man made....but f00king useless at killing on its own, dependent upon killing the old, infirm, medically compromised (just the kind of people who place the largest burden in western health systems, so "getting rid" is like pruning the population, hardly the mark of an effective use if bioligical warfare?)

Natural.....likely to mutate just as previous corono virus syrains have, and which makes the stupendously expensive search for a vaccine about as much use as a chocolate teapot.

Natural.......in the absence of a vaccine (see above), the otherwise healthy population can act as a shield for those who this less-than-lethal killer is a real threat to.

Or, we can resign ourselves to walking round with t-shirts wrapped around kitchen towels covering our faces, queuing up to drink the two pints we're allowed before we have to go home, and watch non-spectator sport and by that i mean EVERY F00KING SPORT, amongst a whole other set of non-living actions and activities that defy logic.

You reckon the Chinese are the worst at developing and you are right to look at the products you buy and how long it lasts lol.
But this virus was well developt and hidden and look at the results as to which country it has affected the most Yes you are right the USA but unfortunately it muted to other country's but as the graphs will show you mainly Western Countries.
Now on some points you made which made me laugh Man made....but f00king useless at killing on its ownThey kill there own for fun.
If it wasn't man-made you're saying it's a natural phenomenon?
Ohh and the healthy can fight it off but it doesn't stop them from infecting others.
Man, my dementia must be getting worse as I thought were in Autumn how fast has Winter come.

WTF and other nonbelievers this was a deliberate act of warfare by a country slowly taking over the world a country who doesn't give a rat's a---- about its people and just like Russia power is everything to them.
This is a country where they imported 2 billion masks lol yes imported proper masks, not Chinese made. And this is at the time where not a word was announced about this virus and which the western world got wind off after a dr spoke out and in turn, was exterminated.
Forgive me WTF you keep believing that it is a natural virus and your probably right as the truth if it ever comes out it will be after we a long gone.

[ozleeds]

Ohhh i forgot stats show over 3 million infections and around 250 k deaths humm that is one high toll i hope god takes pity and takes back this natural virus.

[WTF11]

You reckon the Chinese are the worst at developing and you are right to look at the products you buy and how long it lasts lol.
But this virus was well developt and hidden and look at the results as to which country it has affected the most Yes you are right the USA but unfortunately it muted to other country's but as the graphs will show you mainly Western Countries.
Now on some points you made which made me laugh Man made....but f00king useless at killing on its ownThey kill there own for fun.
If it wasn't man-made you're saying it's a natural phenomenon?
Ohh and the healthy can fight it off but it doesn't stop them from infecting others.
Man, my dementia must be getting worse as I thought were in Autumn how fast has Winter come.

WTF and other nonbelievers this was a deliberate act of warfare by a country slowly taking over the world a country who doesn't give a rat's a---- about its people and just like Russia power is everything to them.
This is a country where they imported 2 billion masks lol yes imported proper masks, not Chinese made. And this is at the time where not a word was announced about this virus and which the western world got wind off after a dr spoke out and in turn, was exterminated.
Forgive me WTF you keep believing that it is a natural virus and your probably right as the truth if it ever comes out it will be after we a long gone.

Oz, it's no more man-made that influenza, that killed (on its own, not with help from "underlying health issues) around 30k per annum between 2015 and 2017 (Official ONS figures, not made up), in the UK alone. If you add those who DID have underlying issues, the figure is 130k per annum, IN THE UK ALONE!!!!!! Covid is more able to infect, that's for , but less able to kill on its own, equally for sure.

And you haven't addressed the key issue. IF China wanted to debilitate world economies long term, why engineer something that makes a far better job of killing the old, the sickly, the infirm, than it does the young, the healthy, the current and next generation of productive workers? By taking out those who it kills most easily, China (if you are right) has helped reduce the long term demands on the health services of the very countries they are "trying to take over"! I think not.

[spaldy]

some good reasons they developed it.

Hong Kong? kind of forgot about little situation didn't we? that was really starting to get out of hand for pooh.

Trade deals- some countries, especially the US, we starting to demand some equity. That's done. the virus inflicted so much damage on the western economies it will take years to recover. In the mean time china keeps selling their cheap crap products to the world.

also gave them the added benefit of killing off the old and infirm. they care so little about life that they view this as a great thing for their regime. I'd guess that the real death rate in china is 10 times what they've reported and most are what they view as worthless or problems to their power.

[Francewhite]

Back on the subject of restart and the decision here in France to cancel football until September. Fifty senior amateur clubs are taking the French Football Federation to court and challenging their stoppage especially those who were in with a promotion challenge. "The rankings are established “according to the number of points obtained / number of games played in order to neutralize the effect of the games carried over. ""Haute Lyonnais, in National league 3, is denied promotion on this basis despite being league leaders and are one who is strongly opposing the stoppage.

What will be decided in the EFL?

[spaldy]

Thank goodness L'pool is top of the prem. If not, I think we all know what the decision would be. Forfeit the season and start over. The perfect solution. Screws Leeds and they'll view the baggies as collateral damage.

hard to do that with Pool on top of the prem. They've become my second favorite English team!

[WTF11]

Thank goodness L'pool is top of the prem. If not, I think we all know what the decision would be. Forfeit the season and start over. The perfect solution. Screws Leeds and they'll view the baggies as collateral damage.

hard to do that with Pool on top of the prem. They've become my second favorite English team!

The french and the dutch are trying to do just that, no matter who is top/bottom of the various divisions, kicking up a real stink in the process. "Points per game" should be used, everywhere, and there should be promotion and relegation as "normal" and play-offs too. any other plan is begging for millions to be spent in legal fees, not football.

[norfolk white]

Not sure how play offs would work as many teams would feel they would be involved, who's to say within our last 9 games we wouldn't have fell short again, we did with only 4 remaining last season, as a pessimistic Leeds supporter I can see this going only one way, and it's certainly not our way.