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[ozleeds]

Oz, it's no more man-made that influenza, that killed (on its own, not with help from "underlying health issues) around 30k per annum between 2015 and 2017 (Official ONS figures, not made up), in the UK alone. If you add those who DID have underlying issues, the figure is 130k per annum, IN THE UK ALONE!!!!!! Covid is more able to infect, that's for , but less able to kill on its own, equally for sure.

And you haven't addressed the key issue. IF China wanted to debilitate world economies long term, why engineer something that makes a far better job of killing the old, the sickly, the infirm, than it does the young, the healthy, the current and next generation of productive workers? By taking out those who it kills most easily, China (if you are right) has helped reduce the long term demands on the health services of the very countries they are "trying to take over"! I think not.

You don't get it.
They use the so-called young and healthy to infect the so-called sick old and vulnerable. And they have destroyed the world economy in just a couple months, And on top of that, the done the most damage to the USA cause they are the only ones that are prepared to speak out against them. See the similarity, Your Chinese you speak out and then you're dead. Now how we use this system to hit the USA.
The target all along was the USA but the rest lets call it modern world happened to be in the way.
I can't even try to think what the real number of deaths or infections there is out there as we will never find out the truth.
And as the political world, we live in will shut down anyone who would come out and tell the truth we will never will.

[Orgoner]

You don't get it.
They use the so-called young and healthy to infect the so-called sick old and vulnerable. And they have destroyed the world economy in just a couple months, And on top of that, the done the most damage to the USA cause they are the only ones that are prepared to speak out against them. See the similarity, Your Chinese you speak out and then you're dead. Now how we use this system to hit the USA.
The target all along was the USA but the rest lets call it modern world happened to be in the way.
I can't even try to think what the real number of deaths or infections there is out there as we will never find out the truth.
And as the political world, we live in will shut down anyone who would come out and tell the truth we will never will.

I think you might want to watch a bit more news and spend a little less time perpetuating conspiracy theories.

[ozleeds]

I think you might want to watch a bit more news and spend a little less time perpetuating conspiracy theories.

And you don't need to conspire just for the purpose of conspiring. Facts are there open you eyes and you might see things differently.
I can leave it there as you can lead a horse to water but its harder to open one's eyes when they cant see.

[Orgoner]

And you don't need to conspire just for the purpose of conspiring. Facts are there open you eyes and you might see things differently.
I can leave it there as you can lead a horse to water but its harder to open one's eyes when they cant see.

Where to start? I'd love to know the source of your facts.

I'm no horse (maybe an ass?) and that is unlikely to be clean water: it needs testing.

Hoisted by your own petard.

(Petard isn't a horse, either)

[ozleeds]

Where to start? I'd love to know the source of your facts.

I'm no horse (maybe an ass?) and that is unlikely to be clean water: it needs testing.

Hoisted by your own petard.

(Petard isn't a horse, either)

Sources are my eyes ears and brain. Been around too long to not know a few things. You know 10 years ago when I could afford it I had a gardener a man in his mid 40's and he used to tell me about all these things happening and just like most probably here think I'm crazy for bringing up these things I thought he was a nutter so I can see where you are coming from.
Ps You can call me Retard it would not bother me one bit. But just like me a few years down the road you'll be saying he was right.

[Orgoner]

Sources are my eyes ears and brain. Been around too long to not know a few things. You know 10 years ago when I could afford it I had a gardener a man in his mid 40's and he used to tell me about all these things happening and just like most probably here think I'm crazy for bringing up these things I thought he was a nutter so I can see where you are coming from.
Ps You can call me Retard it would not bother me one bit. But just like me a few years down the road you'll be saying he was right.

I'm not calling (and didn't call) you a retard, so apologies if you thought that I did.

I just think your sources are likely to be unreliable and it's very easy to jump to false conclusions depending on how information, even potentially correct information, is presented. Garbage in. Garbage out.

As an example, Fox News and CNN are consecutive channels on my current cable package here and both seem incapable of broadcasting facts without overlaying their competing agendas with spin.

If pressed, I'm more inclined to believe information delivered by the latter but, even then, they don't seem to be able to present raw facts without then assigning blame that is unwarranted or misleading.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not disagreeing with the general observations that China hasn't behaved at all well, it's just that I've also been around the block enough times to know that almost every other country on the planet is up to no good when it comes to research into pathogens and the suchlike.

The USA has such facilities. The UK has such facilities. I'm sure Australia does too.

Mother Nature can also be a bit of a bitch and I suspect she'd be pretty pleased if we were to disappear.

[ozleeds]

I'm not calling (and didn't call) you a retard, so apologies if you thought that I did.

I just think your sources are likely to be unreliable and it's very easy to jump to false conclusions depending on how information, even potentially correct information, is presented. Garbage in. Garbage out.

As an example, Fox News and CNN are consecutive channels on my current cable package here and both seem incapable of broadcasting facts without overlaying their competing agendas with spin.

If pressed, I'm more inclined to believe information delivered by the latter but, even then, they don't seem to be able to present raw facts without then assigning blame that is unwarranted or misleading.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not disagreeing with the general observations that China hasn't behaved at all well, it's just that I've also been around the block enough times to know that almost every other country on the planet is up to no good when it comes to research into pathogens and the suchlike.

The USA has such facilities. The UK has such facilities. I'm sure Australia does too.

Mother Nature can also be a bit of a bitch and I suspect she'd be pretty pleased if we were to disappear.

You won't get news channels telling the truth as they are run by corporation whom in turn pay the politicians. Eg Rubert Murdoch runs the media here and what he says goes.
I rather get my info from locals eg social networks.