O/T Coronavirus Thread (3)

[WanChaiMiller]

Dunno Kerr Mikey seems to know some legal eagles himself who seem a bit suspicious of you. You are playing a dangerous game if you are not what you claim to be.

Why? Please explain it to me.

I get the cut and thrust of debate but surely what he does is irrelevant.

[rolymiller]

Anyway how are you howdy? Nice to see you've calmed down a bit lately.

[rolymiller]

Wanchai apparently it is a jailable offence to pose as a lawyer when you aint one. All I'm saying to Kerr is if you aint one careful what you say about yourself on here message boards have ears. If he is there isn't a problem for him is there?

[Exiletyke]

Why? Please explain it to me.

I get the cut and thrust of debate but surely what he does is irrelevant.

Because if you suggest hint, insinuate, propose, allude to, intimate if you are something you're not, why would anyone do that, except to attempt to add weight to an opinion
He will not admit that he is a lawyer/solicitor but hints very often that he might be which I think is intended to sway opinion

[KerrAvon]

Yes the comparison with Germany is interesting when looking at mortality rates.

German death rates are much lower but they have had a significant amount of cases. My first thought would be that our intensive care/amount of ventilators may be factor but from what I hear this hasn't turned out to be a huge problem.

Is it because Germany started lockdown slightly earlier than the UK? They closed schools even before their official lockdown. Saying that, Germany was hit hit by the virus before the UK.

Is it down to testing? This seems to be the reason that I would go with. More people were tested, more people realised they had it and therefore self isolated. Here people carried on, against advice in some cases, and spread the virus.

Are the stats relating to deaths correct? Will we only know for sure when we look at the excess deaths?

It’s far too early to draw meaningful comparisons. As IBS pointed out over the weekend in one of his more lucid moments, there is no standardised way of recording deaths and there is a difference between dying of Covid-19 and dying with Covid-19. In the UK, we initially measured those dying in hospital with Covid19, but that has now been expanded that to all settings and, as I understand it, we are including people who died with Covid19 symptoms irrespective of whether they have been tested.

As this bloke points out, it will be some time before meaningful comparisons can be made:

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...ther-countries

My suspicion is that Germany’s high test capacity will prove to have been crucial. The UK’s track and trace phase had to be cut short because of the lack of the same. We may also need to look at behavioural responses within the population and sections of the population.

My understanding is that the availability of ventilators has not proved to be an issue and that medical opinion is tending against invasive ventilation as its effect on outcomes is limited.

My worry is that the scientific investigation of the UK’s response will be overtaken by a political blame game. It already is on here for some posters even though people are still dying.

[Exiletyke]

Still not answered

[great_fire]

Jennie Formby to stand down as General Secretary of the Labour Party .

Kerr will like that one I'd imagine .

Despite my own personal political views I'm getting pyssed off with this opposition game .

Whatever it takes to win an election is where I'm heading , within a decent amount of flexibility .

If our leader looks like a Tory , talks like a Tory but has a Labour soul then I'll settle for that .

There's no choice to be made if I ever wish to see a government in power that isn't Tory .

We have the Leader , now we need a strategy and a good team to deliver it .

Over to you Keir

He's going to gradually get rid of the Corbynites and make the party Blairite again.

Just like the Tory Party is Blairite, and the Lib Dems, they're all the same.

[KerrAvon]

Oh come on, you're the one who referred to the population density of a country which is 78% completely uninhabited (https://www.andrewdc.co.nz/2017/12/1...s-new-zealand/).

Of course I'm not claiming its like for like. Whatever you think of the metrics I am considering, are you really going to tell me that comparing population density is better?

Yes. It’s like you can see the dots but can’t join them to see the picture.

You correctly raise the issue of a comparison between average number of stories of buildings in London v Auckland, but fail to see that is an indication of population density within those cities.

Let me put it this way for you. If you were a public health official and had a choice of an epidemic in a country with a population density of, say, the UK and where very large settlements were minutes apart by train or car, or a country with a much lower population density, say that of New Zealand's - being almost 78% uninhabited - and where fairly small settlements were spread much further apart such that flying was the only practical means of travel between some of them, which would you go for as being likely to produce the higher death rate?

[great_fire]

Using an NHS app instead of an Apple/ Google one doesn't sound like the best idea with their I.T. failure record.

[KerrAvon]

Jennie Formby to stand down as General Secretary of the Labour Party .

Kerr will like that one I'd imagine .

Despite my own personal political views I'm getting pyssed off with this opposition game .

Whatever it takes to win an election is where I'm heading , within a decent amount of flexibility .

If our leader looks like a Tory , talks like a Tory but has a Labour soul then I'll settle for that .

There's no choice to be made if I ever wish to see a government in power that isn't Tory .

We have the Leader , now we need a strategy and a good team to deliver it .

Over to you Keir .


https://www.theguardian.com/politics...eral-secretary

Good riddance. I’d like to think she walked before she was sacked because of the report that was commissioned and leaked during her recent weeks in office

That being said, I think Starmer's biggest problem will be the crazy gang - the likes of Corbyn, Abbott, McDonald, Burgon and the progeny of their time in office such as the likes the Zarah Sultana. These people think they were right.