League two clubs vote to end season

[Oldstripy]

I listened to recording of radio 5 live 606 from Sunday this morning.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m000j96w

From 6.41 in there is a discussion on what should happen at the bottom of L2, all the participants were for Stevenage to be relegated and what a mess the EFL were making, a Notts supporter named Johnny called in putting our case.

[FRT 87]

If 19/20 is completely voided , who should take Burys place in the 92?

Barrow as they are top of National league?..Notts as they were best placed relegated side in 18/19? Fylde as they lost the promotional play off final in 2019 ? or Solihull as they were runners up in the league 2019. All have viable cases

Mansfield and Newport could also argue that they should be placed in league one as they finished fourth and lost the play off finals in league 2 respectively.

[Elite_Pie]

If 19/20 is completely voided , who should take Burys place in the 92?

Barrow as they are top of National league?..Notts as they were best placed relegated side in 18/19?

I think you've answered your own question there. If 2019/20 is completely voided, Barrow have no more right than Chorley to be promoted.
The only two options are for Notts to take Bury's place or for nobody to take Bury's place.

[Chinawhite1000]

If 19/20 is completely voided , who should take Burys place in the 92?

Barrow as they are top of National league?..Notts as they were best placed relegated side in 18/19? Fylde as they lost the promotional play off final in 2019 ? or Solihull as they were runners up in the league 2019. All have viable cases

Mansfield and Newport could also argue that they should be placed in league one as they finished fourth and lost the play off finals in league 2 respectively.

It's all a matter of timing;- had Bury been expelled (or gone bust) before the EFL AGM in June(?) 2019 then Notts would have been saved no doubt. But as the EFL and National League AGM's took place and relegations for 2019 and league allocations for 2019/20 confirmed there is no case for Notts, Fylde or Solihull at all.

[legs77]

No league is getting voided it is that simple.

Void means the season didnt happen which causes huge financial problems in terms of ticket money, tv contracts, players bonus for promotion etc.

PPG is the way all the leagues will go down to division 6.

[magpie_mania]

I think you've answered your own question there. If 2019/20 is completely voided, Barrow have no more right than Chorley to be promoted.
The only two options are for Notts to take Bury's place or for nobody to take Bury's place.

I can't see it being completely voided, PPG will be calculated. I think that is the fairest way and try to play the play-offs, behind closed doors.

I would relegate 3 from L1 but promote 4 from L2.

Then relegate 1 from L2 and promote 2 from the National League.

[Chinawhite1000]

I can't see it being completely voided, PPG will be calculated. I think that is the fairest way and try to play the play-offs, behind closed doors.

I would relegate 3 from L1 but promote 4 from L2.

Then relegate 1 from L2 and promote 2 from the National League.

Correct - that's the way it should go IF common sense was common. Let's hope it does.

[Woodypie]

Correct - that's the way it should go IF common sense was common. Let's hope it does.

Depends on what the proposal for the two promoted places is. If PPG is accepted, then it would be right to have top five playing in play offs. Perhaps like a mini league, World Cup style. If you are going to disregard fairest two options - finish season or void whole lot - then any crackpot scheme would be fair game. As I have said before, just promoting Barrow isn't fair as they have won nothing. And, personally, I don't believe they would had the season been completed.

[Chinawhite1000]

Depends on what the proposal for the two promoted places is. If PPG is accepted, then it would be right to have top five playing in play offs. Perhaps like a mini league, World Cup style. If you are going to disregard fairest two options - finish season or void whole lot - then any crackpot scheme would be fair game. As I have said before, just promoting Barrow isn't fair as they have won nothing. And, personally, I don't believe they would had the season been completed.

The problem with that is 3 fold;-
1) The NL rules and regulations do actually mention PPG and whilst they don't list the occasions it can be used all that means is that no occasions (pandemic or otherwise) has been ruled out.
2) As for promotion places we can all argue about what might or might not have happened - but we'll never actually know. BUT as PPG can be used in the NL a final table can be achieved. Once that is achieved the top team as per the agreement between the EFL and NL is promoted.
3) Also in the NL/EFL rules there is provision for a 2nd team to promoted - however that place is decided EITHER via the play-offs OR by promoting the 2nd placed team. In addition to that the format of the play offs (IF they take place) has to be agreed by the end of the June before the season starts;- and that was agreed as the 2nd to 7th place teams.
I know for a Notts fan not going up on league position will suck - but those are the actual EFL and NL rules and regulations.

HOWEVER... I think once this is all over the top 3 or 4 teams in the NL might need to be promoted to the EFL to replace teams who fold or are expelled (maybe Macclesfield?) - although that might drag on for a bit time wise.... At least that would give us all things to talk about while there's still no real football taking place.

[uysapie]

No relegation from League 2 apparently!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52737200 (3rd paragraph)