O/T:- Should he stay or should he go? WARNING - POLITICAL THREAD!!!!

[sidders]

The statements made yesterday should have been the Government's last word on the matter. Unfortunately, politicians (and political advisors apparently) often cannot resist the limelight and the desire to further explain themselves, as if they naively believe that the people asking the questions are genuinely seeking truth and clarification in order to resolve the matter. They're not. Their objective here is to keep the story running by any means possible and ultimately bring down their 'target', and every time that target or the people around them blabber out a new statement it just re-energises the story, such as it is.

If you think Johnson's pathetic statement on Sunday evening could have cleared up anything then you have no judgement. Can you not see that it was the fact that their own political party that was in mutinous revolt that triggered Demonic into action. Like BFP says, when the Mail turns against them, you can bet it's serious.
I'm sorry Jackal but you really are one.

[jackal2]

If you think Johnson's pathetic statement on Sunday evening could have cleared up anything then you have no judgement. Can you not see that it was the fact that their own political party that was in mutinous revolt that triggered Demonic into action. Like BFP says, when the Mail turns against them, you can bet it's serious. I'm sorry Jackal but you really are one.

Your comments about me veer from the intolerant to the tolerant so many times that I've learned to treat both imposters the same.

As you know from a Guardian article I suspect you read earlier, the Mail's headline was 'What planet are they on?'. This is quite ironic really, because you would need to have lived on another planet - or certainly not read the Mail in recent years - to realise that changes to their senior editorial team at the Mail have led to some significant changes in their outlook and messaging. Therefore, the Government should not place as much faith in it as a bellwether of Tory support that it might once have done.

Anyway, Dominic Cummings has made a very full statement, wisely or unwisely, and people will draw their conclusions from seeing it, or from the re-interpretation of it subsequently given to them by journalists. One thing I would say about this unprecedented event is that it possibly gave the public greater insight into the fact that (some) journalists are not impartial seekers of truth on the public's behalf, but rather, unelected politicians pursuing their own very determined agenda.

In my view, neither Government ministers nor Mr Cummings should say any more, because it will only feed those who would seek to bring them down.

[dam617]

Your comments about me veer from the intolerant to the tolerant so many times that I've learned to treat both imposters the same.

As you know from a Guardian article I suspect you read earlier, the Mail's headline was 'What planet are they on?'. This is quite ironic really, because you would need to have lived on another planet - or certainly not read the Mail in recent years - to realise that changes to their senior editorial team at the Mail have led to some significant changes in their outlook and messaging. Therefore, the Government should not place as much faith in it as a bellwether of Tory support that it might once have done.

Anyway, Dominic Cummings has made a very full statement, wisely or unwisely, and people will draw their conclusions from seeing it, or from the re-interpretation of it subsequently given to them by journalists. One thing I would say about this unprecedented event is that it possibly gave the public greater insight into the fact that (some) journalists are not impartial seekers of truth on the public's behalf, but rather, unelected politicians pursuing their own very determined agenda.

In my view, neither Government ministers nor Mr Cummings should say any more, because it will only feed those who would seek to bring them down.

The Mail switched to the Remain camp, weeks before the Referendum. That's when I stopped buying it.


To Geordie, Pro-Remain is still more important than Pro-Johnson.

[upthemaggies]

So a Tory minister has resigned and we also have this tweet from William Wragg MP..........



"We cannot throw away valuable public & political good will any longer. It’s humiliating & degrading to their office to see ministers put out agreed lines in defence of an advisor. This is a time of national emergency and our focus must be unrelenting. We owe it to the nation."