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Relevance ?

Fans pay don't they.
Some fans cannot pay usually because of economic reason.
I represent all types of fans of age,origin,disability and of lower financial resource.
I cannot represent fans who choose to sit and watch games illegally or buy fake merchandise or counter-fit tickets or who organise violence obviously.

Not sure what category you claim to be amongst nowadays - so I'll settle that your a historically a Leeds United fan that nowadays cannot attend matches but may be able to attend matches in the future if the circumstances enable you to.


I and others are determined to try and provide you with that option which the club would also like to provide via offering financial viable options but sadly budget won't allow presently unless/until generous owners can do so.

Stewards,Policing,Security etc for games all cost money so do Staff wages before the infrastructure of Players,Management,Clerical and ER utility costs even start.

Rad does listen to the local community and Leeds City Council and local Businesses but his pockets are empty and his strategy is not being helped by present UK Government policies and I suspect that would also be the case for you and not just regarding your football team.

Of course interested parties in the club have sounded out Leeds Utd organisations fans groups as they have done with Leeds City Council - the concern from both is will the fans and city have a voice IF a big Corp gets the club because if not then where are we going as the Pound v other currencies will play a big part in the clubs financial future and Defo with regard to quality of staffing at ALL levels hence my Brexit (Dec31st 2020) reference.

That's my opinion unless you know better with your contacts ?

To summarise ..........take a look at the Newcastle United situation now and digest Mike Ashley's situation and formulate an opinion with the economics of this country and the Newcastle region and then add Brexit (Dec 31st 2020) into the mix and you'll get the current mess.

Since recent Brexit negotiations and lock down I've handled several hundred business requests from Uk requiring assistance with regard to expanding operations into Europe & Russia,several from West Yorkshire,which I'm happy to assist into helping secure UK jobs.

You stated publicly that you wished that you'd stayed in Holland whilst in employment over there ....................... I stated (like many others) that I am a 'migrant worker' and also stated Boris Johnsons stance (white paper) on what'll he'll do with that situation.

I openly honestly stated my options that working in the UK for me would be impossible and that would limit time to watch Leeds Utd due to red tape and costs and that working in Europe,Russia and Scandinavia provided better opportunities as a migrant worker as such.

I'm not falling out - just expressing a formulated opinion via my experiences which include why I personally left the UK to try and better myself and family and voted with my feet.

Hope your daughter is well and safe as a Paramedic by the way and I'm sure Boris will financially reward her and her hard working colleagues many of which will be migrant workers that he's in goal to keep out.

ALAW - MOT & Stay safe !

And what has any of that got to do with your post #32, which focussed on what players we might or might not have, and why (Immigration amongst other things)?

[OldWhiteTaff]

And what has any of that got to do with your post #32, which focussed on what players we might or might not have, and why (Immigration amongst other things)?

I think what Mrs O is saying is, (and I think it's in reply broadly to your 'pyrrhic victory' post), that, notwithstanding the difficulties CV19 is posing to British clubs, things were already in a mess due to Brexit, in terms of player status, club finances, media tie-ins etc, and because of that, if we do go up, opportunities for the club to become more community orientated are likely to be very limited if there is an ambition to 'dine at the top table' i.e. challenge the big six. Unless on the other hand we are bought by some huge (aka rich) corporation or benefactor, and thus have access to much larger funds than otherwise - but this also comes with it's own risks e.g. the relationship faceless corporation owned clubs have with their fans.

So in other words, it's not going to be a land of milk and honey in the PL.

[WTF11]

I think what Mrs O is saying is, (and I think it's in reply broadly to your 'pyrrhic victory' post), that, notwithstanding the difficulties CV19 is posing to British clubs, things were already in a mess due to Brexit, in terms of player status, club finances, media tie-ins etc, and because of that, if we do go up, opportunities for the club to become more community orientated are likely to be very limited if there is an ambition to 'dine at the top table' i.e. challenge the big six. Unless on the other hand we are bought by some huge (aka rich) corporation or benefactor, and thus have access to much larger funds than otherwise - but this also comes with it's own risks e.g. the relationship faceless corporation owned clubs have with their fans.

So in other words, it's not going to be a land of milk and honey in the PL.

I think the lack of a "milk and honey" scenario in the PL was precisely what I was describing in my post that depressed everyone! I appreciate that Brexit would have an impact quite apart from Covid-19, but let's not ignore the fact that we're talking about organisations that turnover tens if not hundreds of millions of £ per annum, and MUST have been pllanning to mitigate those (Brexit) impacts. Covid is a separate issue, and is, frankly, of much greater impact to the fans, and the revenue expectations of the clubs..

As for community engagement/orientation, I see no reason why Brexit should have any effect on that, given what I said about organisations planning to work with changing political/economic circumstances/requirements, but most certainly Covid will.

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Not sure Brexit long term has much of an impact on English football. The model was not sustainable and if not brexit then Covid and if not that then something else such as the Chinese or the big Tech companies changing things. The world doesn't stand still.

However, as least you'll be standing and making decisions for yourselves rather than sitting on a bended knee and fellating some bureucrat in Brussels. Better to die fighting that turning over your control and giving your kids and grandkids up for chattel to be used as they see fit.

I think British football survives and flourishes with our without the EU. It's the focal point of world football and will likely continue to be so unless the FA clowns ruin it.