O/T Nelson's statue defaced, when will this all stop?

[WanChaiMiller]

If they're from Lancashire then deport them back to the rainy county.
Although Smudge commutes from there, as we know he's a geordie so he passes the test

I dont know how they make it across from Lancashire. Loopholes in the system. Farage should get on to it.

[WanChaiMiller]

Ps, it's also important that people, me being one, are allowed to voice their concerns over illegal immigration without being called a racist or a bigot. Or indeed having such implied. That ship has sailed (pardon the pun).

Let the debate begin.....

Not doubt. At what level do you think that discussion should take place? On what platform do you think it should be held?

I get the feel you think youve somehow been blocked from having this debate. Yet, to me, we have more chance now than ever before. No one has actively stopped you from making comment on here (although some take exception to some opinions that are aired). Theres comment on Facebook and Twitter every day. We are having the discussion now - its been ongoing on this message board since its inception. Crack on as they say.

If you want the chance to air your views then, maybe, you should be prepared to take some back? Just a thought.

[ragingpup]

Ps, it's also important that people, me being one, are allowed to voice their concerns over illegal immigration without being called a racist or a bigot. Or indeed having such implied. That ship has sailed (pardon the pun).

Let the debate begin.....

Hey Grumps,

In fairness there have been some good debates and points made on immigration on here from both sides of the argument. I've learned a few things from posters and made some adjustments to my stance. I've only seen a couple of racist comments tbf and very few also accusations of racism. Always good to remember the different types of immigration and I pretty much share your view on illegal immigration as opposed to asylum seekers. Although I think when you look at what I think I would call small numbers of illegal immigrants that actually make it into the country and the overall economic and social cost, I can't help but thinking that the problem, however unwelcome, gets far more attention than it deserves. But that's just my two penneth. Not sure I could add anything more - immigration gets raised time and time again on here and I'd welcome a footy message board without such repetition. But it is clearly a big concern for many.

I think that whilst the left can be guilty of shutting down genuine and well expressed concern with accusations of racism and "far right-ery", I think the same can be said for equally strong counter arguments that are too quickly dismissed as 'virtue signalling' and taking moral high grounds. I think most people involved with the debate on both sides have genuine concerns and in some cases express them very well on here. Shame so much of it becomes petty personal bickering.

[mygiddypant]

This one is for Grist, and others, who rail against jobs going to candidates who lack talent (see #61, #63, #64).

Fact is, I too dislike the idea of someone getting a job based on criteria other than ability. Here are two examples that prove that Grist and I can be chums!

The British civil service is/has been the envy of many similar institutions around the world. It is meant to be the pillar of stability when government moves from one party to another. Recently Sir Mark Sedwill, the cabinet secretary and the service’s most senior official, was effectively sacked after reports of tension between himself and Johnson’s team in no.10 (Cummings and Gove). Sedwill will receive a £250000 payout and a peerage.

One of Sedwill’s roles was that of national security adviser, a post subsequently given to David “Frosty” Frost, a former lobbyist for the Scottish Whisky Association and Johnson’s brexit negotiator. Frosty knows about as much as me or Grist when it comes to cyberwarfare, counter-terrorism or any other aspect of defence.

Even the previous prime minister was sufficiently peed to raise a question about his appointment in the Commons.

Jack Gold is 19 years old. His mother says he is dyslexic and that accounts for the number of times he was in trouble at his (independent) school. Jack is managing director of West Ham Women’s Football team. Jack’s father is….. you guessed! Do I need to add anything else?

[great_fire]

Jack Gold is 19 years old. His mother says he is dyslexic and that accounts for the number of times he was in trouble at his (independent) school. Jack is managing director of West Ham Women’s Football team. Jack’s father is….. you guessed! Do I need to add anything else?

Doesn't dyslexia count as a disability then?

No victim points?

I know the scale keeps moving.

[howdydoo]

Wycombe's Adebayo Akinfenwa says he was racially abused during Monday's League One play-off match against Fleetwood.

The 38-year-old striker says he found out after the game that he was was referred to as a "fat water buffalo" by a representative from the opposition.

"I believe it dehumanises me as a black man by associating me to a water buffalo, a dark animal, in a derogatory manner," Akinfenwa said in a statement.

The Football Association has been made aware of the allegation.

Fleetwood, who were beaten 6-3 on aggregate after the game at Adams Park finished as a 2-2 draw, have yet to comment.

"Monday night was one of the highlights of my career with Wycombe," added Akinfenwa. "However, what should have been an evening of joy and excitement quickly turned into one of anger and frustration.

"Regardless of whether or not there was deliberate racial intent by using that language, if we are to make real and long-standing change then we must strive to educate each other about these issues."

Akinfenwa, who suffered racist abuse earlier in his career while playing in Lithuania, believes education is "ultimately the key" to a future without racial discrimination.

Players and staff across all four top divisions in England have been taking a knee before kick-off at all matches since the 2019-20 campaign resumed in support of the Black Lives Matter movement.

"I have always vowed to stand up and have a voice when it comes to racism," said the former Swansea, Northampton, Gillingham and AFC Wimbledon man.

"We must work together to ensure those who have not and do not face racial prejudice understand that what may appear to be them to be a throwaway remark can have such a big and hurtful impact.

"I feel passionately about raising this because we as a sport and as society must wake up. We must do more.

"Taking a knee, supporting social media campaigns and wearing a logo on our kits is a start, but it is not enough. We must all play our part."

A statement from Wycombe said: "The club fully stands by its players and supports all campaigns to end discrimination."

[great_fire]

I can't believe that's real!

But how is it racist?

The same way that everything is racist now.

Strongest footballer in the world and he's a snowflake.

[WanChaiMiller]

Interesting opinion from Mikey Holding.

https://twitter.com/SkyCricket/statu...766284800?s=20

[wendun]

Jeez, I'm sorry but ragingpup is a complete pain. I was once in a far left organisation and I know the techniques for debate they tell you to use. First rule: always say you see reason in your opponent's arguments. Second rule: say that you too used to share some of those views. Third rule: say that now, reluctantly and after great reflection you now feel those views are wrong. Fourth rule: always refer to personal experience, ie, as raging often says; "I believed you had a point BUT then I went into a classroom/staffroom/closet (doesn't matter which as it's all a lie anyway) and several Muslim/Chinese/Black/Transgender/Lesbian/Gay/persons of Colour (doesn't matter as they don't exist) staff members/students (whatever) came up to me and explained that they had suffered slavery, death, genocide etc etc and I suddenly realised how very evil it was to be a white, privileged person in this sea of pain and I now want to hand the country, our women, our jobs and our dignity to the blacks. Hear, hear.

[Exiletyke]

Jeez, I'm sorry but ragingpup is a complete pain. I was once in a far left organisation and I know the techniques for debate they tell you to use. First rule: always say you see reason in your opponent's arguments. Second rule: say that you too used to share some of those views. Third rule: say that now, reluctantly and after great reflection you now feel those views are wrong. Fourth rule: always refer to personal experience, ie, as raging often says; "I believed you had a point BUT then I went into a classroom/staffroom/closet (doesn't matter which as it's all a lie anyway) and several Muslim/Chinese/Black/Transgender/Lesbian/Gay/persons of Colour (doesn't matter as they don't exist) staff members/students (whatever) came up to me and explained that they had suffered slavery, death, genocide etc etc and I suddenly realised how very evil it was to be a white, privileged person in this sea of pain and I now want to hand the country, our women, our jobs and our dignity to the blacks. Hear, hear.

And this from someone who glorifies our war against the Zulus with a colonial avatar
Who's country were we in?
Who's women,
Who's dignity did we take?
Our women???
And before you say it was a long time ago, it was in your grandad's time