coaches engaging in legal ***ual activity

[KerrAvon]

The reason I mention it is because its relevant to the debate. Its happening now and on an industrial scale.

Many millions of young Thai girls are being groomed into prostitution to feed a demand from the toursts industry; and, as reported, the majority are white European middle age males.

Some figures Ive heard quoted. Over 4m men travel to Thai each year for prostitution. Another figure quotes there are 200,000 child prostitutes. 2m Thai women in prositution in their own country. 200,000 plus trafficked each year. Its a $6bn industry.

My feeling is that child *** abuse and ***ual exploitation is a society wide failure.*

The comment 'turn a blind eye' is not be the correct term and a bit unfair. Its unfair to expect everyone to know what goes on in the Far East or be campaigners. Yet, youre doing it now - turning a blind eye - scurrying for cover using the get out that you dont know anyone.

Of course I move in different circles. I spend a big part of my working life working in HK, South East Asia and the Middle East, working with white Europeans based out there. I mention it because its spoken about and I know about it. I see young girls in bars, hotels and restuarants that have been trafficked to places like HK, KL and Dubai. Like Kerr said they are groomed so they dont see themselves as victims.

Im certainly not a campaigner. Mentioning it on MM doesnt clear me (in the same way me mentioning my disgust of what Pakistsni men did here doesnt change anything). In fact, given I have seen it first, Im more calpable than anyone (although please do not mistake for thinking I participate - I never have), particularly on this message board. So apologies if it came across as an accusation of complicity. Its not meant that way (we're allowed some leeway of here apparently these days, eh Howdy).

What I mean is that it does to resolve the problem by focusing on racial groups or predending its not society wide.* We deplore the Pakistani guys (and quite rightly so) yet ignore the bloke who jets over to Thai for a bit of 'fun'.

Just my thought btw.

So, in other words, your post was just a variant of the 'Catholic Church' type posts so favoured by those of a certain political persuasion when faced with allegations of child abuse by men of mainly Pakistani heritage in Rotherham? It is no particular group who is at fault as we are all at fault?

The abuse of children is wrong whoever does it.

Not being able to talk about it does not help.

It did not help that police and council officials in Rotherham would not talk about the ethnicity of the offenders when there was widespread abuse in Rotherham at the hands of men of a mainly Pakistani heritage for fear of wandering into minefields laid by people of of a certain political persuasion. It would not help if we were not permitted to talk abut the origin of people who travel to the Far east to engage in child *** offences.