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[swaledale]

This thread seems to have morphed with the Govt's handling of Covid thread! Though clearly the competence on display by the government is similar!

To bring it back to where it was supposed to be, here are a few Brexiteer quotes that no doubt the Leavers will have conveniently forgotten!


"There will be no downside to Brexit" - David Davis MP

"The day after we vote to leave we hold all the cards and can choose the path we want" Michael Gove MP

"The free Trade Agreement that we will do with the EU should be one of the easiest in human history" Liam Fox MP

"Trade relations with the EU could be sorted out in an afternoon with a cup of tea" Gerard Battern (UKIP)

“We won’t know the full economic consequences for a very long time. The overwhelming opportunity for Brexit is over the next 50 years.” Rees-Mogg MP

“By 2030 we should come out about even”. Andrew Lilico, the executive director of the analyst Europe Economics and a leave campaigner

“I think Britain in 100 years’ time will thank God they came out.” Digby Jones former Director General of the CBI

"The last time we went through line by line and challenged quite a lot of the legal basis of these things, and we'll continue to do that referring to rumours of a £40bn bill) They sort of made that up" David Davis

“there will be no forms, no checks, no barriers of any kind [between Northern Ireland and the rest of the UK].” Boris Johnson

“There will continue to be free trade and access to the single market” – Boris Johnson


”We will maintain a free flowing border at Dover. We will not impose checks in the port. The only reason we would have queues at the border is if we put in place restrictions that created those queues. We are not going to do that.” Chris Grayling

“If Brexit is a disaster, I will go and live abroad. I'll go and live somewhere else.” Nigel Farage

[ramAnag]

I tend to agree with you there RA, but don't you also think that the media also have their own pet experts who disagree with everything that the government do?

I do, Ram...sad state of affairs really, although there is plenty to disagree with. Tends to make me very selective and ever more reliant on my own common sense and that of others.
Too many ‘agendas’ perhaps, and insufficient leadership...certainly.

[Geoff Parkstone]

Too many ‘agendas’ perhaps, and insufficient leadership...certainly.

So he with a very clear agenda speaks of too many agendae. Oh the irony.....

[swaledale]

So he with a very clear agenda speaks of too many agendae. Oh the irony.....

Something can only be ironic if its true and rA may have a leftish lean, but his agenda is wanting clear guidance and a semblance of competent action from the government, I can't see he'd ahve a different slant if Labour was in power. I mean either the Government has ****ed up royally on a number of issues, tried to deflect the blame for mistakes anywhere but amongst its own ranks, made outlandish "world beating claims" or it hasn't the facts speak for themselves.

[ramAnag]

So he with a very clear agenda speaks of too many agendae. Oh the irony.....

Honestly GP...your posts these days remind me of being stalked by an irritating puppy.
I am but one of a growing number on here who are critical of the PM, the Government and the handling of any one of three current crises, but every time I, in particular, comment there’s a guarantee of a meaningless and facetious response from you.
As I say...it’s more irritating than a matter of any concern, but I do wish you’d make your mind up and actually provide an opinion for once.

[swaledale]

Honestly GP...your posts these days remind me of being stalked by an irritating puppy.
I am but one of a growing number on here who are critical of the PM, the Government and the handling of any one of three current crises, but every time I, in particular, comment there’s a guarantee of a meaningless and facetious response from you.
As I say...it’s more irritating than a matter of any concern, but I do wish you’d make your mind up and actually provide an opinion for once.

Careful you'd be asking him to think.

[Andy_Faber]

Honestly GP...your posts these days remind me of being stalked by an irritating puppy.
I am but one of a growing number on here who are critical of the PM, the Government and the handling of any one of three current crises, but every time I, in particular, comment there’s a guarantee of a meaningless and facetious response from you.
As I say...it’s more irritating than a matter of any concern, but I do wish you’d make your mind up and actually provide an opinion for once.

Not sure it’s a growing number I think everyone here has been pretty consistent, the extremists at either end (yourself, Swale, TTR) seeing nothing good/bad in The Management’s management, the rest mooching around somewhere in between each with their pet ‘beef’ and/or area of expertise. I sometimes refer right back to the early days of the Brexit thread and little has changed

[MadAmster]

I'm still in the EU. I'm still against the EU and for all the same reasons as before.

Now, I can add their lack of joined up thinking with regard to CV-19. This whole pandemic lark was a perfect opportunity to to have a grand central plan with the odd local difference where diverting from the central plan makes local sense.

They failed.

[mistaram]

I'm still in the EU. I'm still against the EU and for all the same reasons as before.

Now, I can add their lack of joined up thinking with regard to CV-19. This whole pandemic lark was a perfect opportunity to to have a grand central plan with the odd local difference where diverting from the central plan makes local sense.

They failed.

Yes along with almost every country in the world especially USA and UK

[ramAnag]

Not sure it’s a growing number I think everyone here has been pretty consistent, the extremists at either end (yourself, Swale, TTR) seeing nothing good/bad in The Management’s management, the rest mooching around somewhere in between each with their pet ‘beef’ and/or area of expertise. I sometimes refer right back to the early days of the Brexit thread and little has changed

Swale and I...extremists? Really?
I think you need to check your definitions, Andy. You also need to read R59’s Covid thread through.

It is probably true to say that, in no particular order, Swale, mista and I...closely followed by MA...are the most conspicuously left of centre but ‘extremists’? I don’t think so.

As for ‘growing numbers’. Adi, R59 himself and even you have, in recent days, all - at times - been critical of the Government’s performance while Tricky has, thankfully, had little to say about anything since he babbled on about Thailand’s road carnage and GP has done nothing except snipe from the sidelines...no longer apparently able to take a stance.

In truth we have a Government stumbling from crisis to crisis. I totally accept that the Pandemic is unprecedented in living memory but the worst figures in Europe and the prospect of the deepest subsequent recession tells its own story. Add to that the chaos over exam results, the uncertainty over safe returns to schools and the fact that Brexit is now fractionally over four months away while senior ministers all seem to be conspicuous only by their absence and you hardly have to be an ‘extremist’ to recognise that there’s a problem.