O/T Even the Tory Party are Blaming Johnson!

[mistaram]

There was one dickhead (a woman actually so not sure the phrase applies) on my flight who abandoned her mask after ten minutes and refused to even acknowledge anyone who asked her to put it on, including cabin staff, and despite the fact that her travelling companion wore one throughout the flight!

I've just read about a lad who managed to make a tube of Pringles last four hours so he wouldn't have to wear a mask

[Trickytreesreds]

Changing the subject slightly, not least because this isn’t a BBC thread, I understand today is a big day for HS2.
Doubtless we’ll see countless photo opportunities of Johnson in a hard hat and fluorescent jacket working out which end of the spade goes in the ground...but seriously...isn’t one of the outcomes of the pandemic that more and more people are likely to work - long term - from home via online conferencing etc?
If that’s the case then why on earth is this government continuing with its commitment to this extravagant ‘white elephant’...especially at a time when a combination of Covid (unavoidable cost) and Brexit (self inflicted cost) see the country on the brink of economic catastrophe?

That I completely agree with. Apparently it will save 20 mins of travel time for business men? Can't they just travel half an hour earlier and bring their meeting forward? lol

[mistaram]

I Can't think of a more Party Political focussed thread title to be honest, about as Tabloidy as it gets!

On two seperate subjects,

I'm hoping from the words I see coming from new BBC DG Tim Davie that the (what I thought were endemic and irreversible) failings of BBC output I've whinged on about will be addressed. Great start from him to be instrumental in the restoration of (a sung) Land Of Hope And Glory into last night of the proms and the reasons given. Tony Hall has been a disaster IMO. I've seen what he's said on my hobby horse, diversity, and he seems bang-on right. He's got a scrap on with the PC brigade though.

What was your decision on your holiday, and if you don't mind sharing, why? We are determined to 'take a break' in late October and our plans have cjanged four times in a week!

I can't see why anybody would want to sing this outdated jingoistic ,nationalistic rubbish anyway
Rule, Britannia Britannia ,rule the waves
We can't even stop migrants in dinghies never mind rule the waves

[Trickytreesreds]

Andy...surely the only people who are likely to object to ‘diversity’ on TV are those who themselves have ‘issues’ with such matters as racism and homophobia etc.

Sixty years ago we lived in a world where dehumanising signs saying such things as ‘No Dogs, No Blacks, No Irish’ were relatively common.
35-40 years ago ‘people’ (I use the word loosely) were throwing abuse - and bananas - at black footballers.
Likewise Muslims, homo***uals, AIDS sufferers, transgender people are amongst those who have, more recently, been victimised for no good reason.

TV has, imo, gone a long way to addressing such issues. It has, imo, done far more good than harm, and I’d suggest those who are vocalising things on social media are probably far more worthy of your concern than TV itself.

Wrong. The BBC set itself diversity targets of representation. It was already higher demographically, than the national average of figures. The out going Lord Hall, wanted more diversity, with ethnics in more and more prominant front line roles? The strange thing is, if you look at the people in positions of power with the BBC. Then all you will fins is white/Liberal "gammon" as some like to say, with a university back ground. They are the biggest hypocrites of all. It isn't just them though.
ITV- Coronation street. Biggest percentage of gays/lesbians/mixed race couples you will see on any terraced street in the region.
Channel 4 are having a black take over day, got to be racist that any day of the week.

What folks are ****ed off with, is the way it is rammed down your throats by a select few, who think that their way of the world is the right way and you will like it.
I concur, the whole agenda is causing more unrest and agitation than it is supposed to be solving. However, when you point things like this out, the usual howling and screaming of "racist/nazi/homophobe/xenophobe/monster" is hurled over the table in an attempt to shut you up.
Well free speech is just that. Not free speech as long as you agree with me.

[Trickytreesreds]

I can't see why anybody would want to sing this outdated jingoistic ,nationalistic rubbish anyway
Rule, Britannia Britannia ,rule the waves
We can't even stop migrants in dinghies never mind rule the waves

Never about that MR. It was the fact that some nerd at the British Biased Codswallop, decided that it was their right to change everything to suit their WOKE agenda. Impartial my arse.

[mistaram]

Never about that MR. It was the fact that some nerd at the British Biased Codswallop, decided that it was their right to change everything to suit their WOKE agenda. Impartial my arse.

Yes Tricky I understand that ,but it's still trying to glorify something irrelevant to today . Was slightly different when we had some standing in the world . Mind you people like Rees-mogg still live in that utopian world that thinks we are still relevant in the world . Also includes an awful lot of right thinking people

[swaledale]

BBC not biased?
The new boss( on £525 000 p.a), recognises it is and also that it needs to move to subscription. Finally, someone recognises that a "neutral" news source has real problems with the way it conducts itself and how it raises its money. For those that don't know, the new guy was in charge of BBC studios, who actually "made" £1.4 billion in profit by selling BBC goods. It also recently aquired one of the internet catch up tv groups which makes its money by(shock/horror- advertising)So it can make money when it wants to, but choses to hound OAP's instead.
Johnson announced today, that it will be decriminalised and they know the writing is on the wall.
It's outdated and was dying on its feet anyway. Much as those on here that love the BBC, the youngsters dont care for terrestrial tv and won't get a license anyway. Game over.

However, these are Tim Davies words on it.

Rallying the troops as he took over from Lord Hall this week, he said that staff should work hard to deliver on the views of the entire nation, not a select elite.

The Beeb has faced a string of controversies over recent years - with accusations of left-wing bias and hiring a string of anti-Tory reporters.

And it has been accused of only representing the views of the London elite, rather than the people and down the country.

"I do not want a subscription BBC that serves the few," Mr Davie said today.

He warned reporters and editors that surrounding the office with "people like us" who were only interested in "political shenanigans, internal dramas and the latest press flare-up" would damage the corporation and lead to its decline.

He said: "This is dangerous. It means that we can take our eyes off the key issue of how much value we are delivering to each member of the public, and the UK as a whole."

The Beeb will "renew our commitment to impartiality" in a bid to win back the trust of the nation, he promised.

"I want a radical shift in our focus from the internal to the external, to focus on those we serve: the public."

And he added: "Our research shows that too many perceive us to be shaped by a particular perspective.

"We urgently need to champion and recommit to impartiality. It is deliverable and it is essential."

BBC's string of controversies

Right lets unpick this, firstly your quoting words printed by a right wing media source, not always directly quoting what Davies said, thats important because of course depending upon who is doing the reporting then that reflects the "bias" of that person.

So for instance these paragraphs

(The Beeb has faced a string of controversies over recent years - with accusations of left-wing bias and hiring a string of anti-Tory reporters.

And it has been accused of only representing the views of the London elite, rather than the people and down the country.)

They werent in his statement and factually are they even correct? They are a commentary by whatever biased media source you have read!

I did in fact post a counter argument which shows that many of the senior managers and presenters/guest presenters had a right wing viewpoint - indeed more than that had direct connections with the Tory party!

On impartiality, there is a discussion to be had, but that applies to both right and left - many would argue that the BBC was equally biased against Corbyn certainly there was much mumbling to this end and Laura K is notorious for sucking up to the Tories.

The fact is that if your right wing or left wing then unless your listening, watching a programme that concurs with your views, you are going to consider it biased against them.

An example of you bias (we are all aware of it on this Forum) is that you read this

Davie said he did not believe in a Netflix-style subscription model for the BBC. “We could make a decent business out of it,” he said. “And I suspect it could do quite well in certain postcodes, but it would just make us another media company serving a specific group.”


As saying he recognises the BBC needs to move to a subscription model!

Now I understand that you might struggle with reading English but I'm baffled as to how you fit that interpretation into what he actually said!

The question of BBC funding is interesting, again there is room for discussion, though your hyperbole about "hounding OAP's" is bizarre, presumably you are happy for them to avoid paying any tax, council tax, for food, vehicle excise duty and other things most people have to pay for?

As ever you post is riddled with bias and inaccuracies!!

[ramAnag]

I can't see why anybody would want to sing this outdated jingoistic ,nationalistic rubbish anyway
Rule, Britannia Britannia ,rule the waves
We can't even stop migrants in dinghies never mind rule the waves

Lol, ‘outdated, jingoistic, nationalistic rubbish’...spot on mista. I’ve found it embarrassing for over half a century now.

Who are these ‘select few’, Tricky...and when was the last time anyone ‘screamed’ any of those things at you?
Personally I haven’t watched any ‘soaps’ for years but I remember the uproar from things like the first black characters in Albert Square and Coronation Street, the first gay kiss and Mark Fowler (I think) contracting AIDS.
Soaps didn’t used to deal with difficult issues...now they do...including things like cancer, domestic abuse and mental health issues. To that extent - and only to that extent - they’re like a latter day Dickens, bringing mass attention to issues that society would rather see swept under the proverbial carpet.
Is that such a bad thing?
There are now more disabled presenters - I find it strange that matters relating to disability seem to have to have a disabled presenter, don’t understand that bit - but otherwise that too is surely a good thing.

[mistaram]

Right lets unpick this, firstly your quoting words printed by a right wing media source, not always directly quoting what Davies said, thats important because of course depending upon who is doing the reporting then that reflects the "bias" of that person.

So for instance these paragraphs

(The Beeb has faced a string of controversies over recent years - with accusations of left-wing bias and hiring a string of anti-Tory reporters.

And it has been accused of only representing the views of the London elite, rather than the people and down the country.)

They werent in his statement and factually are they even correct? They are a commentary by whatever biased media source you have read!

I did in fact post a counter argument which shows that many of the senior managers and presenters/guest presenters had a right wing viewpoint - indeed more than that had direct connections with the Tory party!

On impartiality, there is a discussion to be had, but that applies to both right and left - many would argue that the BBC was equally biased against Corbyn certainly there was much mumbling to this end and Laura K is notorious for sucking up to the Tories.

The fact is that if your right wing or left wing then unless your listening, watching a programme that concurs with your views, you are going to consider it biased against them.

An example of you bias (we are all aware of it on this Forum) is that you read this

Davie said he did not believe in a Netflix-style subscription model for the BBC. “We could make a decent business out of it,” he said. “And I suspect it could do quite well in certain postcodes, but it would just make us another media company serving a specific group.”



As saying he recognises the BBC needs to move to a subscription model!

Now I understand that you might struggle with reading English but I'm baffled as to how you fit that interpretation into what he actually said!

The question of BBC funding is interesting, again there is room for discussion, though your hyperbole about "hounding OAP's" is bizarre, presumably you are happy for them to avoid paying any tax, council tax, for food, vehicle excise duty and other things most people have to pay for?

As ever you post is riddled with bias and inaccuracies!!

Swales there absolutely nothing new in Trickies story The Tories hate the BBC as far back as Thatcher . They can't stand the fact that they can't manipulate them like other media outlets and newspapers Its always been there policy ,but it's increasingly more so with this government now . They definitely will not move to a subscription model . You will never please people like Tricky because he chooses use black people when it suits him . The BBC are in a no win situation with people like him .If they employ black they are woke and give in to them .If they don't employ them they are prejudiced against them

[Andy_Faber]

I've just read about a lad who managed to make a tube of Pringles last four hours so he wouldn't have to wear a mask

yes this woman was similar, she tried to make a small bottle of wine last the distance, but her 'thirst' got the better of her...