O/T:- Smart Alec Lawyers

[i961pie]

... so there we have it, Gumpy, for the woke doubters and Remoaners our Parliament has the final say over (some version) of 'international law'.

Don't hold your breath, Boris will have probably changed his mind by tomorrow if recent history is anything to go by.

[Old_pie]

Don't hold your breath, Boris will have probably changed his mind by tomorrow if recent history is anything to go by.

Don't hold your breath, Cummings will have probably changed his mind by tomorrow if recent history is anything to go by. FTFY.

[magpie_mania]

Don't hold your breath, Cummings will have probably changed his mind by tomorrow if recent history is anything to go by. FTFY.

Agreed.

I don't know why we are wasting all this time on negotiations really. It's pretty obvious that the desired outcome is a no deal.

As I see it, Cummings will get his way, no deal, dismantle the Civil Service (how many have gone up to now) then ride off into the sunset (Barnard Castle) - job done.

[countygump]

Seems it was partly thanx to Gina Miller.


Ohh, the ironing...........

[magpie_mania]

Seems it was partly thanx to Gina Miller.


Ohh, the ironing...........

I think it's not really about whether we can do it or not, it's about us signing an agreement then not keeping it.

Whether others do it or not shouldn't really matter.

[countygump]

I think it's not really about whether we can do it or not, it's about us signing an agreement then not keeping it.

Whether others do it or not shouldn't really matter.

That surely applies to the EU as well?


The EU is insisting on two red lines, that is fisheries and the state aid/level playing field before they will talk about anything else.

"That is not really using best endeavours and certainly not in my view negotiating in good faith.

"Furthermore it manifestly does not respect British sovereignty because it is seeking to impose EU regulations on the UK by effectively leaving the UK to be subject to EU regulations by virtue of the level playing field.

"And it also wants the UK state aid policy to be subject to EU direction.

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[seriouspie]

That surely applies to the EU as well?


The EU is insisting on two red lines, that is fisheries and the state aid/level playing field before they will talk about anything else.

"That is not really using best endeavours and certainly not in my view negotiating in good faith.

"Furthermore it manifestly does not respect British sovereignty because it is seeking to impose EU regulations on the UK by effectively leaving the UK to be subject to EU regulations by virtue of the level playing field.

"And it also wants the UK state aid policy to be subject to EU direction.

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F the EU ...... and that bumptious prat Barnier. Boris wants to talk to the Organ grinders - not the monkey. That''s what'll happen. Don't piss about with the hired hand when a deal needs closing (either way). Deal with the main decision makers. The Krauts.

[Elite_Pie]

F the EU ...... and that bumptious prat Barnier. Boris wants to talk to the Organ grinders - not the monkey. That''s what'll happen.

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If it's organ grinders rather than monkeys, then why would Cummings let Boris be involved?

[magpie_mania]

That surely applies to the EU as well?


The EU is insisting on two red lines, that is fisheries and the state aid/level playing field before they will talk about anything else.

"That is not really using best endeavours and certainly not in my view negotiating in good faith.

"Furthermore it manifestly does not respect British sovereignty because it is seeking to impose EU regulations on the UK by effectively leaving the UK to be subject to EU regulations by virtue of the level playing field.

"And it also wants the UK state aid policy to be subject to EU direction.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...ewApp_AppShare

One is about negotiation, the other is about not keeping an agreement.

What is the point in making an agreement then not abiding by it?

Minister stands up and says, yes, we are going to break international law.

Then again, Cummings does seem to turn a blind eye (or rather has a drive to a beauty spot to make sure he doesn't have one).

[countygump]

One is about negotiation, the other is about not keeping an agreement.

What is the point in making an agreement then not abiding by it?

Minister stands up and says, yes, we are going to break international law.

Then again, Cummings does seem to turn a blind eye (or rather has a drive to a beauty spot to make sure he doesn't have one).

I would argue that negotiating in good faith IS a part of the agreement as it clearly is.


The report, authored by among others, Tory MP Bill Cash, DUP MP Sammy Wilson, Martin Howe QC and Barnabas Reynolds, a partner Partner in top City law firm Shearman & Sterling, argues the EU has slipped up by not adhering to Article 184 of the agreement, which requires both sides to use their "best endeavours" to negotiate a deal.