O/T:- Smart Alec Lawyers

[magpie_mania]

That surely applies to the EU as well?


The EU is insisting on two red lines, that is fisheries and the state aid/level playing field before they will talk about anything else.

"That is not really using best endeavours and certainly not in my view negotiating in good faith.

"Furthermore it manifestly does not respect British sovereignty because it is seeking to impose EU regulations on the UK by effectively leaving the UK to be subject to EU regulations by virtue of the level playing field.

"And it also wants the UK state aid policy to be subject to EU direction.

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One is about negotiation, the other is about not keeping an agreement.

What is the point in making an agreement then not abiding by it?

Minister stands up and says, yes, we are going to break international law.

Then again, Cummings does seem to turn a blind eye (or rather has a drive to a beauty spot to make sure he doesn't have one).

[countygump]

One is about negotiation, the other is about not keeping an agreement.

What is the point in making an agreement then not abiding by it?

Minister stands up and says, yes, we are going to break international law.

Then again, Cummings does seem to turn a blind eye (or rather has a drive to a beauty spot to make sure he doesn't have one).

I would argue that negotiating in good faith IS a part of the agreement as it clearly is.


The report, authored by among others, Tory MP Bill Cash, DUP MP Sammy Wilson, Martin Howe QC and Barnabas Reynolds, a partner Partner in top City law firm Shearman & Sterling, argues the EU has slipped up by not adhering to Article 184 of the agreement, which requires both sides to use their "best endeavours" to negotiate a deal.

[Mapperleypie]

The mental gymnastics that have to be played by Brexiteers in order to justify this governments willingness to break international law and to forget Johnsons 'oven-ready' Brexit deal that was a cornerstone of the Tory 80 seat-majority is staggering and really quite sad.

The Prime Minister outright lying to the country in manifesto pledges and regularly in press conferences is being normalised and there are sections of society cheering this degradation on.

This does not end well for the UK.

[BigFatPie]

The mental gymnastics that have to be played by Brexiteers in order to justify this governments willingness to break international law and to forget Johnsons 'oven-ready' Brexit deal that was a cornerstone of the Tory 80 seat-majority is staggering and really quite sad.

The Prime Minister outright lying to the country in manifesto pledges and regularly in press conferences is being normalised and there are sections of society cheering this degradation on.

This does not end well for the UK.

I predict the whole Brexit thing will be of as much interest to psychologists as it will be to historians.

[magpie_mania]

I would argue that negotiating in good faith IS a part of the agreement as it clearly is.


The report, authored by among others, Tory MP Bill Cash, DUP MP Sammy Wilson, Martin Howe QC and Barnabas Reynolds, a partner Partner in top City law firm Shearman & Sterling, argues the EU has slipped up by not adhering to Article 184 of the agreement, which requires both sides to use their "best endeavours" to negotiate a deal.

Do you think we've used our 'best endeavours'?

Boris refused to even contemplate an extension because of the effect of the Covid crisis and now has set a deadline of 15th October (why?) - there's only one thing that Boris and his bully boys who no doubt will remove the whip from anyone who votes against are aiming for - that's no deal.

[countygump]

Do you think we've used our 'best endeavours'.

Did you think the EU did is more to the point?

[magpie_mania]

Did you think the EU did is more to the point?

Why?

Using your own logic - why should they if we won't?

Do you think that there will be anything other than no deal?

[countygump]

Why?

Using your own logic - why should they if we won't?

Do you think that there will be anything other than no deal?

No.

[magpie_mania]

No.

Do you think the nation was misled?

I thought that countries would be queuing up to sign deals. It was supposed to be a piece of cake.

Johnson simply cannot be trusted.

On another point - at this time of national crisis - where is the Home Secretary? She should be at the forefront.