O/T:- Smart Alec Lawyers

[magpie_mania]

Countygump vs BFP is a match made in heaven for ad hominem attacks and taking political pot shots with little serious discussion of the substance of the issue.

Both avid Twitter users I believe. Coincidence? How much worse has politics got since people started using social media for news and politics?

Far worse. Noticeable too how many MPs are on phones in the Commons since Twitter etc was allowed.

[BigFatPie]

Countygump vs BFP is a match made in heaven for ad hominem attacks and taking political pot shots with little serious discussion of the substance of the issue.

Both avid Twitter users I believe. Coincidence? How much worse has politics got since people started using social media for news and politics?

I knew posting those quotes would get you commenting.

Ad hominem attacks? Where? How does posting politicians own words constitute ‘pot shots’? How does posting the views of a constitutional expert on a constitutional matter not count as ‘serious discussion’ ? Why don’t you post an actual opinion on the subject instead of sitting on the sidelines heckling others?

Most importantly, how’s it going with getting Biden better than evens?

[BigFatPie]

Doesn't she feature in the Guinness Book of Records? The only person who's ever been embalmed while still alive. She was at her hairdresser the other week getting a top up on her fluids. Her party is not even in power and not likely to be. C'mon Biffa..............

The Dems currently control the House of Reps, a situation not likely to change at the election. Any trade deal has to pass through both houses of Congress.

The only thing that will need embalming is that ‘trade deal’...

[i961pie]

I knew posting those quotes would get you commenting.

Ad hominem attacks? Where? How does posting politicians own words constitute ‘pot shots’? How does posting the views of a constitutional expert on a constitutional matter not count as ‘serious discussion’ ? Why don’t you post an actual opinion on the subject instead of sitting on the sidelines heckling others?

Most importantly, how’s it going with getting Biden better than evens?

It depends on which politicians words you quote and their political views?

[MagpieMike]

... is it more important to uphold 'international law' or to show some enlightened self interest? So far ,I'm unconvinced that any country takes any notice of international law's - Russia, China, USA - (pick any topic you like). So our tweaking of the Withdrawal Agreement re Northern Ireland seems only to have upset the EU (because it gives them an edge under certain circumstances) and the woke Remoaners who choose to be offended. I bet most havn't read the so-called offending sections (clauses 41 - 43, etc). I'm really surprised that no one has used the phrase 'perfidious albion' yet! So, would be lawyers, why shouldn't we look after ourselves. Don't try telling me it's about trust and all that mother jazz ...

The issue of the Irish border is not fundamentally about Brexit. The Northern Ireland agreement is a totally separate international treaty to which the UK is a signatory, guaranteeing no hard border between Northern Ireland and the Irish Republic. The other guarantor alongside the UK and Ireland is the US. If we (or the EU) build a hard border it will do two things, damage our (or their) international credibility, and more importantly risk a return to the troubles in Northern Ireland. The treaty was obviously agreed and signed at a time when Brexit wasn't an issue. The Government hasn't successfully shown how you can avoid a hard border and leave the EU customs union. This is where the rubber hits the road as the withdrawal agreement fudged round it without really addressing the issue.

[BigFatPie]

It depends on which politicians words you quote and their political views?

Nah it doesn’t. It depends on whether the words are relevant to the discussion and also whether it reveals them to be a massive hypocrite, as in this case.

[Elite_Pie]

Doesn't she feature in the Guinness Book of Records? The only person who's ever been embalmed while still alive. She was at her hairdresser the other week getting a top up on her fluids. Her party is not even in power and not likely to be.

I've noticed that's a very regular tactic from the gammons on here gumpy - when they can't find fault with what's actually been said, they decide to find fault with the person who's said it instead. Look at it this way - if it was the EU rather than Boris that was reneging on an agreement and flouting international law, those gammons would be so incensed they would need to be called smokey bacons*.

* Awaits that WooWar bloke claiming that 'smokey bacons' is a racist term.

[i961pie]

Nah it doesn’t. It depends on whether the words are relevant to the discussion and also whether it reveals them to be a massive hypocrite, as in this case.

It does if it suits your point of view.

[Riverleeno]

From David Allen Green,

‘This morning it all still seems so bizarre

A Conservative government is risking a full-blown constitutional crisis and destroying its international reputation over...

...increasing the role of public sector in subsidising otherwise uncompetitive private sector businesses

Odd’

This Conservative government has already shown that is willing to spend vast sums of public money to delay unemployment, and with the full impact of the Corona virus on the economy still not seem, it doesn't seem odd to me that it might not want its hands tied as to its budget decisions regarding the private sector. At the moment alot of otherwise successfully trading but not cash-rich businesses might soon be 'uncompetitive'.

[BigFatPie]

It does if it suits your point of view.

What?