If only sturgeon Johnson swinney and hancock

[Returnofrros]

As I said before I agree with a lot maybe most of what you write. You are right Sweden have 4 cities larger than Dundee. The UK have 47 cities larger than Dundee. If you take a standard figure of cities with say 100,000 residents Sweden have 9, the UK 84. I don't know about the BAME numbers other than the UK figure is 13%. Sweden do not publish such a figure but state that 20% of their population are non Swedish. This is not like for like but Sweden does have a lot of other Scandinavians living in the country. I cant prove it but think it unlikely that they have a larger BAME population but I may well be wrong!

Sorry meant a bigger bame population than other Scandinavian countries.

I think around 1000 of their dead are non Swedish.

To sum up I've pretty much lost all faith in anything UK and Scottish govt are saying.

They overeacted and they have to continue down this line or admit they overeacted.

They have chosen A.......think more people are coming to this conclusion.

Graphs Whitty and Vallance put up last Saturday already 3 weeks behind so they knew 4000 fig wasn't happening but they have to continue the terrify tactics.

[troodee1893]

Sorry meant a bigger bame population than other Scandinavian countries.

I think around 1000 of their dead are non Swedish.

To sum up I've pretty much lost all faith in anything UK and Scottish govt are saying.

They overeacted and they have to continue down this line or admit they overeacted.

They have chosen A.......think more people are coming to this conclusion.

Graphs Whitty and Vallance put up last Saturday already 3 weeks behind so they knew 4000 fig wasn't happening but they have to continue the terrify tactics.

To be honest Glum & Glummer's graphs are like double dutch to me!

[islaydarkblue]

Whitty and Valance are the spokesmen. There is a whole bunch of them working out the figures and the Independent SAGE committee is full of people who want even tougher actions. It will be a surprise to me if the second wave exceeds the first wave because we have much better treatments, we have learned something, we won't repeat the Care Home fiasco, and those who are vulnerable will look out for themselves. Panic about some hospitals at 84 % capacity is a bit rich when normal winter capacity can be 95%.

I would not be so sure that the care home fiasco will not be repeated.
There was an article on the front page of last Sunday’s Sunday Times newspaper (1st November 2020) headed “Covid tests for elderly halted by Scots NHS”.
The routine testing of elderly NHS patients for Coronavirus was halted by one health board on the advice of the country’s Chief Nurse.
A nurse blew the whistle that the Chief Nursing Officer Fiona McQueen wrote to all Chief Executives of the NHS Trusts throughout Scotland on 7th October 2020 asking them to continue testing all people aged 70 and over on admission but the ‘serial testing’ every four days of these patients during their inpatient stay which has been required since late April could be relaxed.
NHS Ayrshire and Arran stopped these tests on 9th October. It is not reported if NHS Ayrshire and Arran have restarted testing their patients aged 70 and over every four days for coronavirus.
The article further states that to date about 80% of all the Covid deaths in Scotland have been among those aged 70 and over.
The question is who in the Scottish Government advised Fiona McQueen to send out this guidance.
Was it Jeanne Freeman the Cabinet Secretary for Health or was it Nicola Sturgeon.
Somebody has to carry the can for this guidance.

[Deeranged]

Somebody has to carry the can for this guidance.

Why does someone need to carry the can for what seems on the face of it to be sensible advice? If you're testing all patients on admission and are testing staff regularly why test all patients every four days? For me stop regular testing of inpatients and divert the testing resource to stop the virus entering the environment - which seems to be the plan here.

[BCram]

Think the point is if it was a good idea to start with, there should be an explanation why it is not a good idea now. I agree with you that it does appear to be a sensible diversion of resources but it should be simple to explain the thinking behind the decision.

[islaydarkblue]

Why does someone need to carry the can for what seems on the face of it to be sensible advice? If you're testing all patients on admission and are testing staff regularly why test all patients every four days? For me stop regular testing of inpatients and divert the testing resource to stop the virus entering the environment - which seems to be the plan here.

Fine if you want to kill off all the patients aged 70 and over who are patients in NHS hospitals throughout Scotland.
If the rules which had belatedly been put in place in late April 2020 were being changed then Nicola Sturgeon and Jeanne Freeman should have made an official announcement at Holyrood to their fellow MSPs.
It should not be left to a very concerned nurse to ‘blow the whistle’.

[Deeranged]

Fine if you want to kill off all the patients aged 70 and over who are patients in NHS hospitals throughout Scotland.
If the rules which had belatedly been put in place in late April 2020 were being changed then Nicola Sturgeon and Jeanne Freeman should have made an official announcement at Holyrood to their fellow MSPs.
It should not be left to a very concerned nurse to ‘blow the whistle’.

A nurse who believes all the scare stories put out by governments based on flawed research and worst case scenario planning by 'scientists'?

[Taintedice]

Fine if you want to kill off all the patients aged 70 and over who are patients in NHS hospitals throughout Scotland.

Just to be clear, you want all the restrictions to end which will end up killing thousands of over-70s but you're also complaining about over-70s dying?

[Returnofrros]

Just to be clear, you want all the restrictions to end which will end up killing thousands of over-70s but you're also complaining about over-70s dying?

🤣🤣🤣

They have hidden the bodies in Sweden.

The granny and granddad are missing.

Tier paranoia.

[Taintedice]

Why is a proud libertarian continually quoting the outcomes in a highly-socialised and ordered society, which the UK couldn't be any further away from if it tried. You and islay are two really confused phukkers, next you'll be wanting taxes raised to Swedish levels. Major difference between a country which looks after its citizens and tory britain.