O/T:- Covid Trump

[upthemaggies]

There is no evidence of election fraud, because there is no election fraud.

If it was that easy to fix the vote, you can bet your life savings that Trump would have done it in a heartbeat.

Nah, there's been SOME election fraud, it would be incredibly naïve to pretend otherwise. Enough to matter? We don't know.

On your 2nd point, Trump and his supporters have probably tried.
In the current climate of media, big tech and the American war machine desperate to see Trump go, who would be the most likely to get away with voting fraud?

[drillerpie]

There’s zero evidence of any fraud in the US election, either postal or in person.

It seems to me generally that voting should be made as easy as possible. Elections should be held on Sundays, with postal ballots available, and even electronic voting where it has been verified as secure. Postal ballots seem an especially good idea during a pandemic.

Politicians who benefit from low turnouts are usually the people who want to suppress voting and make it as hard as possible.

Electronic voting is secure until it's not secure. As soon as the USA announced it had a foolproof electronic voting system, the world's hackers would set about trying to hit the jackpot and crash it.

In person voting is the best way of protecting the integrity of the vote, but can make it awkward if there are long queues and people are busy, and even that's not perfect; in some parts of southern Italy they have had to try to ban people taking mobile phones into voting booths as organised crime gangs will buy your vote for 80 euros but you have to take a photo of your completed polling slip to collect your money.

Maybe in-person elections that run for two or three days (Friday to Sunday?) would be the best option?

[Mapperleypie]

Not just Russia who have an interest in the US turning against and destroying itself.

Trump has always been the perfect man for the job.

[upthemaggies]

Trump has always been the perfect man for the job.

I'm not sure China would prefer Trump.

[Elite_Pie]

Nah, there's been SOME election fraud, it would be incredibly naïve to pretend otherwise. Enough to matter? We don't know.

I don't doubt there is a tiny bit of fiddling here and there, but if it was possible to do it on a large scale you can guarantee that Trump would have had a team working on it flat out for the last four years.

[Mapperleypie]

I'm not sure China would prefer Trump.

I'm pretty certain they would. They are in a far stronger position relative to the US now than they were 4 years ago.

[upthemaggies]

I don't doubt there is a tiny bit of fiddling here and there, but if it was possible to do it on a large scale you can guarantee that Trump would have had a team working on it flat out for the last four years.

I suspect he has, but would Trump's side believe they could get away with it? - knowing the conditions of the pitch, so to speak. What if they believed they had enough support from genuine votes?
What about the democrats? No disputing big tech is on their side with the media to back them up.
The conditions for a fraud in favour of the democrats has never been more optimal.

[Mapperleypie]

I suspect he has, but would Trump's side believe they could get away with it? - knowing the conditions of the pitch, so to speak. What if they believed they had enough support from genuine votes?
What about the democrats? No disputing big tech is on their side with the media to back them up.
The conditions for a fraud in favour of the democrats has never been more optimal.

Using the same logic was Corbyn a victim of electoral fraud? Knowing the conditions of the pitch, so to speak.

[upthemaggies]

Using the same logic was Corbyn a victim of electoral fraud? Knowing the conditions of the pitch, so to speak.

The media clearly destroyed Corbyn as a viable option to the point that it was a landslide, so no, the same logic doesn't apply. US media hasn't been able to have so much influence on its' public.

[magpie_mania]

Back to my point though, if it is that huge, if he knew how it would happen and was so sure it would, why has he done nothing about it previously?

Interesting that nothing like this occurred in 2016. Obviously there is more postal voting this time.

He is behaving like a little kid who can't get his own way. Sad thing is that he believes it is all true and I can't see him backing down. He really doesn't care what may happen in the country, collateral damage is fine as long as he keeps the position.

His sons are now complaining that some prominent Republicans aren't willing to back him, already with threats that 'We'll remember this in 2024'.