OT Trump prematurely ejaculates

[Andy_Faber]

The problem with that is pick any decade over the last 60 years and you have a range of factions, groups etc even nation states, who were the dominant activists at any particular time. There might if you thought about it be just a few clues as to why this is the case. To label Muslims as one homogenous group is typical lazy thinking!

Ah you ahve just demonstrated your interpretation of what Macron is doing, he is actually defending France as a secular nation and your interpretation of what the terrorist acts in France are also wide of the mark. Its not a an attempt to impose minority's belief system, its the action of the few radical crazy's, its not even organised just deranged individuals.

You don't have to look far to see a country where radical christians adopt the same tactics!

As for immigration, this requires a concerted plan to resolve the issues of why people migrate, it isn't possible to simply stop them coming, but if one removes the incentives, which are generally war, poverty etc then it would be much reduced. The Eu and other western countries could do this if they wanted to, it takes a concerted approach and cooperative working.

I'll offer a reasonable response to a reasonable message from you, but unless I have you wrong I'm guessing you have no idea of how things work 'on the ground' in the area of faith and as a person of faith and regular attender of places of worship I do, so I'm coming from a position of greater insight on some of this

I'm aware that there are many groups within the group who consider themselves Muslims, ironically I recruited a Chinese national Uigur (into a Chinese company!) a few years ago and learned lot about oppression of minorities. Without resorting to any particular label, those who perpetrate acts of terror mainly come from a few groups within the whole demographic

Macron's fightback is against those for whom the response to the question 'which should prevail, the values of your religion or the values of your country?' would be the former. Regretably the 'crazies' are a very small tip of a very very big iceberg here.


pointing the finger at 'radical Christians' is the usual tactic of the apologist and certainly in UK the number of terror attacks where the perp has been identified or has self identfied as Christian is zero

As for reducing immigration by 'a concerted approach and co-operative working', no chance, Geoff makes most of the points which shows such assertions as pure pie in the sky idealism

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I'll offer a reasonable response to a reasonable message from you, but unless I have you wrong I'm guessing you have no idea of how things work 'on the ground' in the area of faith and as a person of faith and regular attender of places of worship I do, so I'm coming from a position of greater insight on some of this

I'm aware that there are many groups within the group who consider themselves Muslims, ironically I recruited a Chinese national Uigur (into a Chinese company!) a few years ago and learned lot about oppression of minorities. Without resorting to any particular label, those who perpetrate acts of terror mainly come from a few groups within the whole demographic

Macron's fightback is against those for whom the response to the question 'which should prevail, the values of your religion or the values of your country?' would be the former. Regretably the 'crazies' are a very small tip of a very very big iceberg here.


pointing the finger at 'radical Christians' is the usual tactic of the apologist and certainly in UK the number of terror attacks where the perp has been identified or has self identfied as Christian is zero

As for reducing immigration by 'a concerted approach and co-operative working', no chance, Geoff makes most of the points which shows such assertions as pure pie in the sky idealism

Ah well I'll take your word as an expert then!

I would provide a comprehensive response as to why both yours and GP's posts are just symptomatic of people who have very little understanding of the situation, riddled as they are by assumptions and a perception shaped from your narrow perspectives. As is your usual style you try to sound knowledgeable but regrettably your innate prejudices shine through.

I'm not into flogging a dead horse, as the number of people who voted for Trump this time demonstrates, people adopt a view and even in the face of in factual evidence generally refuse to depart from it. Therefore I won't be flogging a dead horse and will leave you to your casual and ill informed views.

On a point of accuracy I did not suggest that in the Uk recently radical Christians had committed any terror offences. I guess you missed that point I made about different factions, groups and beliefs being active at various times over the past decades? And they certainly have in other countries in recent times. How stating the facts is being an apologist is a bit of a puzzle but hey ho.

So reducing immigration by a concerted approach and cooperative working is idealism? OK I'll tell that to those who are doing just that and having an impact! hey guys stop what your doing because its idealistic! Your clearly not quite as well informed as you think you are.