Sweden why can they get it woohoo wrong

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And Sweden's comparison shouldn't be with anything but Sweden.

No lockdown = no increased deaths.

I can't honestly make it any more simple.

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And Sweden's comparison shouldn't be with anything but Sweden.

No lockdown = no increased deaths.

I can't honestly make it any more simple.

100% this. Compare last five years in the location with now. Sweden going down (fnarr fnarr) and we're roughly stable.

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100% this. Compare last five years in the location with now. Sweden going down (fnarr fnarr) and we're roughly stable.

Can either of you two explain how keeping pubs open stops people dying of heart disease, which is what you're claiming. Also, projections for 2020 has Sweden at 92k deaths, can you explain how this is less than 89k in 2019.

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Can either of you two explain how keeping pubs open stops people dying of heart disease, which is what you're claiming. Also, projections for 2020 has Sweden at 92k deaths, can you explain how this is less than 89k in 2019.

Hmmmm, can't actually see either of us claiming that keeping pubs open will stop people dying of heart disease. Keeping them shut might stop a small number contracting Covid - 19 but, for me at least, not enough to justify the collapse of the sector.

Well done picking the lowest (by a good way) death rate in the last ten years for Sweden for comparison.

I read an interesting article that proposed, globally, death rates had been very low in 2019 - you can see that in Sweden's figures. This has resulted in a larger number of 'vulnerable' people being susceptible to the effects of a virus outbreak, these were the people that needed to be protected from the outset but were in fact thrown to the lions. The superstar Virologists didn't see that obviously.

The ten year average mortality rate in Sweden is 90.8K so what you're saying is that there is projected to be an increase of 1,200 deaths in 2020. Have a think about it, that represents 1.3% over the ten year average and kind of indicates that Covid could be responsible for only those 1,200 deaths; fair bit short of the projections I believe.

In Sweden in 2019 88,766 deaths were recorded - wait a minute though that means that in fact 3.5% fewer than the ten year rolling average died last year. Sooooo, over 2019 and 2020 fewer people will die on average than would be expected in any 24 month period DESPITE COVID.

Here's what I'd challenge you to explain. Why is 92,000 deaths in Sweden in 2020 considered so tragic when that same number drew no real attention in 2017 and 2018? Did we have a global pandemic back then too?

Link to a wee graph for you in case you can't find the info -

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...ber-of-deaths/