OT Trump prematurely ejaculates

[Geoff Parkstone]

Liberal is one of those words with dual meaning in today's usage. Either the complimentary or derisory usage. It's just how attitudes change and language usage modifies to reflect it. In the 60s it was a positive to be called Liberal by your contemporaries, now its more pejorative.

What used to be a compliment becomes ironically an insult. Not unlike how the N word is now used in black parlance, but in reverse. Its an interesting evolutionary study: consider the word gay in the 50s and now. Meaning has been re cycled by the generations. On a similar note swear words escalate - damn and blast was inappropriate before the ladies in the 50s, nowadays said ladies happily use the F and C word in public.

Wonder how we will swear in the 2050s?

[ramAnag]

Liberal is one of those words with dual meaning in today's usage. Either the complimentary or derisory usage. It's just how attitudes change and language usage modifies to reflect it. In the 60s it was a positive to be called Liberal by your contemporaries, now its more pejorative.

What used to be a compliment becomes ironically an insult. Not unlike how the N word is now used in black parlance, but in reverse. Its an interesting evolutionary study: consider the word gay in the 50s and now. Meaning has been re cycled by the generations. On a similar note swear words escalate - damn and blast was inappropriate before the ladies in the 50s, nowadays said ladies happily use the F and C word in public.

Wonder how we will swear in the 2050s?

I though the use of the term ‘nigga’ by black people towards other black people was ironic or a way of denoting some sort of ‘kinship’.

The term ‘liberal’ was, imo, used in exactly the way that Swale describes but, as he also suggests, our changed society now regards such views as representing ‘weakness’, hence the adoption of other terms such as ‘snowflake’ which seems to be a pejorative term aimed at anyone
who shows any degree of sensitivity or concern for the well being of others.

I very much doubt that many of us on here - Adi apart - will still be swearing in the 2050’s, GP...shouldn’t worry about it.

[Andy_Faber]

I though the use of the term ‘nigga’ by black people towards other black people was ironic or a way of denoting some sort of ‘kinship’.

The term ‘liberal’ was, imo, used in exactly the way that Swale describes but, as he also suggests, our changed society now regards such views as representing ‘weakness’, hence the adoption of other terms such as ‘snowflake’ which seems to be a pejorative term aimed at anyone
who shows any degree of sensitivity or concern for the well being of others.

I very much doubt that many of us on here - Adi apart - will still be swearing in the 2050’s, GP...shouldn’t worry about it.

Its used in some groups simply instead of 'mate', but not especially popular in UK, the on-trend word used by blacks and not especially by others is 'bro'.

Neither liberal nor snowflake cover the behaviours I'm talking about and the closest word that truly sums such folk up is bigot, but even thats not quite hitting the spot - I'm taking about folk who can, for instance (and there are many) demonise the USA 'gun lobby' yet deny the fact that the vast majority of gun related deaths in USA are black on black (I just picked that as an example)

[ramAnag]

Neither liberal nor snowflake cover the behaviours I'm talking about and the closest word that truly sums such folk up is bigot, but even thats not quite hitting the spot - I'm taking about folk who can, for instance (and there are many) demonise the USA 'gun lobby' yet deny the fact that the vast majority of gun related deaths in USA are black on black (I just picked that as an example)

Genuinely puzzled by what behaviours you are talking about. The terms ‘liberal’ and ‘snowflake’ used to be synonymous with enlightenment.
Still usually are imo...no idea what they have to do with bigotry...unless opposing bigotry has now itself confusingly become an example of bigotry.

Why would people deny the fact that the ‘vast majority of gun related deaths in USA are black on black’ if that is indeed the case, and what has that got to do with ‘demonising the gun lobby’ anyway or are you now defending the ‘gun lobby’?

[Andy_Faber]

Genuinely puzzled by what behaviours you are talking about. The terms ‘liberal’ and ‘snowflake’ used to be synonymous with enlightenment.
Still usually are imo...no idea what they have to do with bigotry...unless opposing bigotry has now itself confusingly become an example of bigotry.

Why would people deny the fact that the ‘vast majority of gun related deaths in USA are black on black’ if that is indeed the case, and what has that got to do with ‘demonising the gun lobby’ anyway or are you now defending the ‘gun lobby’?

Sorry I didn't explain myself well obviously. Ive described the behaviour with the example I've given and I'm saying that use of the word 'liberal' (or for that matter snowflake) in their traditional definition is NOT the right word, and even bigot isn't, so I'm stuck for an appropriate one. To put it at its simplistic, I'm looking for the word that defines someone who will criticises one demographic for something yet excuse another

[ramAnag]

Sorry I didn't explain myself well obviously. Ive described the behaviour with the example I've given and I'm saying that use of the word 'liberal' (or for that matter snowflake) in their traditional definition is NOT the right word, and even bigot isn't, so I'm stuck for an appropriate one. To put it at its simplistic, I'm looking for the word that defines someone who will criticises one demographic for something yet excuse another

Selective? But, and it may be my fault, I still don’t quite get your point.
I imagine you might use it in relation to the summer demonstrations where you may have interpreted the BLM supporters being ‘recognised’ in a quite different way from their right wing opponents.
Where gun crime in the US is concerned the ‘fact’ - if you are able to substantiate it as such - that the majority of perpetrators and victims may be black is surely a side issue to the question of whether there are too many guns to which access is too easy.
I know you’ll argue that this is just the media skewing things, but ALL the automatic and semi automatic carrying ‘people’ I saw on TV standing on the City Hall steps and the like in the ‘flyover states’ were white.

[Andy_Faber]

Selective? But, and it may be my fault, I still don’t quite get your point.
I imagine you might use it in relation to the summer demonstrations where you may have interpreted the BLM supporters being ‘recognised’ in a quite different way from their right wing opponents.
Where gun crime in the US is concerned the ‘fact’ - if you are able to substantiate it as such - that the majority of perpetrators and victims may be black is surely a side issue to the question of whether there are too many guns to which access is too easy.
I know you’ll argue that this is just the media skewing things, but ALL the automatic and semi automatic carrying ‘people’ I saw on TV standing on the City Hall steps and the like in the ‘flyover states’ were white.

Precisely. All legally owned, and note (with one exception) not used. The media tend not to be present at drug deals gone wrong, corner shop heists and gang feuds, they like it nice and sunny. I take your point about 'people', its a scourge on the whole nation that they feel the need to arm themselves - at locjdown, we went for loo roll, they went for guns, says a lot!

[Andy_Faber]

Liberal is one of those words with dual meaning in today's usage. Either the complimentary or derisory usage. It's just how attitudes change and language usage modifies to reflect it. In the 60s it was a positive to be called Liberal by your contemporaries, now its more pejorative.

What used to be a compliment becomes ironically an insult. Not unlike how the N word is now used in black parlance, but in reverse. Its an interesting evolutionary study: consider the word gay in the 50s and now. Meaning has been re cycled by the generations. On a similar note swear words escalate - damn and blast was inappropriate before the ladies in the 50s, nowadays said ladies happily use the F and C word in public.

Wonder how we will swear in the 2050s?

Its become fashionable in one of the friendship groups Mrs F and I skirted round pre-lockdown to use the C word in conversation (mainly used by women) and Mrs F has decided over lockdown that its now an ex-friendship group. But in ten years it may be common parlance, who knows?