Quote Originally Posted by swaledale View Post
Interesting rA, that you are so ready to dismiss an alternative point of view as "*******s" when the scientists with their grossly exaggerated models are considered OK? Lets face it not even the scientists agree and are not always right either.

I have to say that I am still of the view that the harm done by lockdowns, in terms of economic loss, mental health and delays to other health treatments is not far short of the death toll from Coronavirus, indeed over the longer term it may be higher. Putting the whole country into lockdown, rather than targeted local lockdowns of high infection areas with tracing and isolation of those infected as say China and South Korea have done, seems more effective with less negative results for society as a whole.

Its so easy if your retired on a pension sat safely at home to agree with the lockdown approach, not so easy if your self employed and getting **** all from the government.

But also in freedom of speech, is not incumbent to allow others with a point of view to express that point of view? I agree that where there is deliberate inciting of violence, revolt or discriminatory views expressed then some form of censorship is appropriate, but I'm vary wary of stopping expression simply because some do not agree with the views being expressed.
Agreed Swale, on the lockdown situation. The latest R figure which is for the week ending last Friday has shown a continued reduction down to between 1.0 and 1.1 with previous tier 3 areas below 1. These figures are too early for the national lockdown to have had any affect and show that the previous local tier system was working.

The second national lockdown wasn't needed and is causing untold damage, especially in those areas less affected by covid. The knock on effect will be 'why should we take notice with precautions in our area, if we're going to end up with another national lockdown because of other areas lack of discipline?'

People throughout the country are losing their jobs, businesses and livelihoods when their local rates are low. How do you explain to these people that they've lost everything including their freedom because of the actions of the people in cities like Liverpool and Hull?