Stevie Thommo

[the_anticlough]

I say good work by the BBC on this one.

Look, I know it must be difficult for some of the older geezers on this site to take a look at themselves, their language, their upbringing and habits dating back many, many decades, I get that and I sympathise.

I'm not too far away from that generation myself. But I have three young daughters and if we arrive at a place where they can follow football and gender isn't used as a casual derogative reference then we'll be in a better place as a community, and society. It's not hard for those coming though and it's progress of a kind, that's for sure. It's happening, it's a good thing and there's no going back.

So don't worry, be happy, and 'Tommo' will be back to impart his considerable wisdom to the good folk of Lincolnshire in 2021

[cher1]

I say good work by the BBC on this one.

Look, I know it must be difficult for some of the older geezers on this site to take a look at themselves, their language, their upbringing and habits dating back many, many decades, I get that and I sympathise.

I'm not too far away from that generation myself. But I have three young daughters and if we arrive at a place where they can follow football and gender isn't used as a casual derogative reference then we'll be in a better place as a community, and society. It's not hard for those coming though and it's progress of a kind, that's for sure. It's happening, it's a good thing and there's no going back.

So don't worry, be happy, and 'Tommo' will be back to impart his considerable wisdom to the good folk of Lincolnshire in 2021

Agree with all of that. We're moving on, and some people resist change or are blind to the implication of language choice. Casual ***ism is no less bad than casual racism.

Interesting that the headline didn't match the full facts. I don't imagine for one second that this was the only time he's been repeatedly ***ist as a pundit either.

[Elite_Pie]

But I have three young daughters and if we arrive at a place where they can follow football and gender isn't used as a casual derogative reference then we'll be in a better place as a community, and society. It's not hard for those coming though and it's progress of a kind, that's for sure. It's happening, it's a good thing and there's no going back.

As someone in similar circumstances but a bit older than you, I fully understand what you are saying. I have three daughters and a granddaughter, and really welcome this progress. My concern is that some want to see an overnight change in attitudes, and that just isn't going to happen. When extreme examples get rammed down people's throats it can have the opposite effect. An example I mean is that a basically decent principle like political correctness has become a dirty word because extremes have been used to belittle it.

[SwalePie]

As someone in similar circumstances but a bit older than you, I fully understand what you are saying. I have three daughters and a granddaughter, and really welcome this progress. My concern is that some want to see an overnight change in attitudes, and that just isn't going to happen. When extreme examples get rammed down people's throats it can have the opposite effect. An example I mean is that a basically decent principle like political correctness has become a dirty word because extremes have been used to belittle it.

Spot on.

[Old_pie]

As someone in similar circumstances but a bit older than you, I fully understand what you are saying. I have three daughters and a granddaughter, and really welcome this progress. My concern is that some want to see an overnight change in attitudes, and that just isn't going to happen. When extreme examples get rammed down people's throats it can have the opposite effect. An example I mean is that a basically decent principle like political correctness has become a dirty word because extremes have been used to belittle it.

I'm not sure I feel that I want to take moral guidance from a generation that spawns Big Brother, Love Island, trolls others on the internet, is happier with blind dating someone they've met on the internet than someone who's tried to chat them up on the bus, rave around town on a Friday night having fueled themselves up on cheap cider wearing barely enough to cover themselves and want to party in the midst of a Covid lockdown.

But if they feel that handbags and skirts are the biggest worries they have then they are in for a big shock when the real world hits them.

Nonetheless our time has been and gone and I can only sit back, pray and attempt not to upset the sensitivities of your grandkids who I'm sure are paragons of common sense as are mine (I hope).

[Elite_Pie]

I'm not sure I feel that I want to take moral guidance from a generation that spawns Big Brother, Love Island, trolls others on the internet, is happier with blind dating someone they've met on the internet than someone who's tried to chat them up on the bus, rave around town on a Friday night having fueled themselves up on cheap cider wearing barely enough to cover themselves and want to party in the midst of a Covid lockdown.

That seemed a reasonable post until you mocked cheap cider. Not only that, but you restricted it to Friday nights.

You old buggers need to lighten up a bit.

[Old_pie]

That seemed a reasonable post until you mocked cheap cider. Not only that, but you restricted it to Friday nights.

I daren't go into town on Saturday nights, and surely you're not alluding to Sunday behaviour?

You old buggers need to lighten up a bit.

I thought it was the others who were having an issue

[i961pie]

I'm not sure I feel that I want to take moral guidance from a generation that spawns Big Brother, Love Island, trolls others on the internet, is happier with blind dating someone they've met on the internet than someone who's tried to chat them up on the bus, rave around town on a Friday night having fueled themselves up on cheap cider wearing barely enough to cover themselves and want to party in the midst of a Covid lockdown.

But if they feel that handbags and skirts are the biggest worries they have then they are in for a big shock when the real world hits them.

Nonetheless our time has been and gone and I can only sit back, pray and attempt not to upset the sensitivities of your grandkids who I'm sure are paragons of common sense as are mine (I hope).

Ditto

[cher1]

As someone in similar circumstances but a bit older than you, I fully understand what you are saying. I have three daughters and a granddaughter, and really welcome this progress. My concern is that some want to see an overnight change in attitudes, and that just isn't going to happen. When extreme examples get rammed down people's throats it can have the opposite effect. An example I mean is that a basically decent principle like political correctness has become a dirty word because extremes have been used to belittle it.

The thing is though Elite, racism and s e xism have been going on for centuries, so I don't think anyone who has faced these issues is even vaguely expecting an overnight change. It doesn't seem unreasonable to want it though.

Just as those of us who are white can't understand what racism must feel like, men will never know what s e xism is like to be on the receiving end of.

Agree that using ridiculous examples only diminishes this really serious issue. Going back to Thommo though, the multiple examples of what he actually said, rather than the initial headline, seem to me to be out of step with how society is changing. It's refreshing that some men on here can see that.

[Elite_Pie]

The thing is though Elite, racism and s e xism have been going on for centuries, so I don't think anyone who has faced these issues is even vaguely expecting an overnight change. It doesn't seem unreasonable to want it though.

Just as those of us who are white can't understand what racism must feel like, men will never know what s e xism is like to be on the receiving end of.

Agree that using ridiculous examples only diminishes this really serious issue. Going back to Thommo though, the multiple examples of what he actually said, rather than the initial headline, seem to me to be out of step with how society is changing. It's refreshing that some men on here can see that.

You are correct, because in my life I've never suffered any sort of abuse due to my skin colour, gender, or s exual orientation. I realise that's because I'm a white heteros exual male, and from your posting history on here, I would guess you tick two of those three boxes. The box I think you don't tick is probably the relevant one on this thread, but it's a subject that still matters to me. I agree that the sooner it's tackled the better, but I think highlighting cases like this one (and to be honest I don't know the full story) might do more harm than good.

It's similar to what I alluding to before about political correctness becoming a term that's so loathed in general. It really is a sh!tty term, in fact what does political correctness even mean? If it had been called something sensible like 'respect and tolerance', would people be saying "here we go again, the bloody RAT brigade going round expecting us to be respectful and tolerant"?