The thing is though Elite, racism and s e xism have been going on for centuries, so I don't think anyone who has faced these issues is even vaguely expecting an overnight change. It doesn't seem unreasonable to want it though.
Just as those of us who are white can't understand what racism must feel like, men will never know what s e xism is like to be on the receiving end of.
Agree that using ridiculous examples only diminishes this really serious issue. Going back to Thommo though, the multiple examples of what he actually said, rather than the initial headline, seem to me to be out of step with how society is changing. It's refreshing that some men on here can see that.
You are correct, because in my life I've never suffered any sort of abuse due to my skin colour, gender, or s exual orientation. I realise that's because I'm a white heteros exual male, and from your posting history on here, I would guess you tick two of those three boxes. The box I think you don't tick is probably the relevant one on this thread, but it's a subject that still matters to me. I agree that the sooner it's tackled the better, but I think highlighting cases like this one (and to be honest I don't know the full story) might do more harm than good.
It's similar to what I alluding to before about political correctness becoming a term that's so loathed in general. It really is a sh!tty term, in fact what does political correctness even mean? If it had been called something sensible like 'respect and tolerance', would people be saying "here we go again, the bloody RAT brigade going round expecting us to be respectful and tolerant"?
It would be interesting to find out who invented the term and why. I agree it’s not a very helpful one. The trouble is, whatever you call something, there are those who will turn it into a term of abuse, given the chance. “Special needs” springs to mind as an example of that - chanted in a playground.
Another example is “do gooders”. You would think people trying to do good would be a positive thing, but it’s used in a very negative way.
I completely agree about the term PC, it's a lazy and sometimes ignorant, way of dismissing a different viewpoint whilst avoiding debating the actual issues. Confess I'm a bit confused about not ticking the 'relevant' box, being female, and we're talking about s e xism, but I could be misunderstanding your post (still got a bit of a post covid foggy brain at times).
Re what started as one minor comment, it appears he actually made three ***ist remarks in 20 mins, had a previous warning 2 years ago, the BBC were responding to complaints from listeners, and he hasn't been sacked, just won't be covering games until the new year. That's slightly different to the first version of the story. You're probably not, understandably, aware of the effect of endless lower level comments like Tommo's. There's no need for it. And changing day to day language is a small step on the way to changing women's and girls' lives for the better.
As I said before, it is heartening that some (including you) want things to change.
Well,us whitefellas over here are referred to by a percentage of the the indigenous population as ''white c***ts" for, I assume, transgressions committed during and after colonisation. I don't think anyone condones some of the disgraceful actions committed against them but, for all intents and purposes, does that not constitute racism?
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