Sweden why can they get it woohoo wrong

[troodee1893]

Deaths this year are less than their 5 year average😁 Apparently folk no seeing the need to top themselves and are quite comfortable going to see about any lumps or bumps.

I just can't understand why they don't do lockdown to get that average up. They can do so much better.

They could be like Peru and have one of the strickest lockdowns in the world....that's went really well for them, top of the league.That well that el presidente might get shot.

Sweden, marxist feminist nutters but beh God they do pandemics well.😎

Just wondering if you have changed your mind re Sweden, it seems the good folk of Sweden have. Many comparisons have been made with the UK. Taking into account the fact that we have 7 times their population in a country half the size of Sweden (population density being a bigger factor than simple population size) their death toll is markedly worse than the UKs. In many minds the argument goes along the line of their performance without lockdowns, until more recent times than ours, versus the UK with the various lockdowns. I suppose there is room for some argument in this regard but the most damning statistic comes when you compare Sweden with Norway an infinitely closer comparison size wise and population wise. Norway locked down, Sweden didn't until recently. Swedish Covid deaths 7,800 Norway 402. I think that ends all arguments in this regard.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-55347021

[BCram]

What the difference in population density between Norway and Sweden. Just interested.

[troodee1893]

What the difference in population density between Norway and Sweden. Just interested.

Norway Pop. Density 38 per Sq Mile 404 Deaths
Sweden Pop. Density 64 per Sq Mile 7800 Deaths
UK Pop. Density 712 per Sq Mile 65520 Deaths

If you break down the UK figures

England Pop. Density 1118 per Sq Mile 57284 Deaths
Scotland Pop. Density 174 per Sq Mile 4173 Deaths

[BCram]

Just wondering if you have changed your mind re Sweden, it seems the good folk of Sweden have. Many comparisons have been made with the UK. Taking into account the fact that we have 7 times their population in a country half the size of Sweden (population density being a bigger factor than simple population size) their death toll is markedly worse than the UKs. In many minds the argument goes along the line of their performance without lockdowns, until more recent times than ours, versus the UK with the various lockdowns. I suppose there is room for some argument in this regard but the most damning statistic comes when you compare Sweden with Norway an infinitely closer comparison size wise and population wise. Norway locked down, Sweden didn't until recently. Swedish Covid deaths 7,800 Norway 402. I think that ends all arguments in this regard.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-55347021

Not sure about the density discussion. If UK has 7 times the population density I think it might be too simple to expect that there is a simple mathematical relationship between the number of deaths in Sweden or UK or Scotland. The links to the outside world will be vastly different too. I can't get my head round people being brought home and then just allowed to go to wherever they wanted and trusted to act responsibly. That's the sort of society that trusts the individual and the individual is expected to support civil society by behaving in a responsible manner. We don't seem to have that kind of ethos. It will be interesting to see if the Swedish way of dealing with covid has a measurable difference for the outcome of this second wave. Let's see what happens. Suppose there is such a thing as herd immunity, might it be that the second wave does not have the effect that is being predicted. After all the whole point of the vaccine programme is designed to reduce the number of people who can catch the virus.