Brexit

[boingy]

I honestly wouldn't waste your time Regis.

Leavers are indoctrinated, they are too far gone.

There are too many other people they will blame like the EU, or civil servants, or remainers, or judges. Anyone apart from the Leave campaign who successfully conned them. They don't want to lose face and admit it.

I spoke to two leavers recently, one voted Leave and said he didn't mind if we were poorer because of it. The other (a guy about 70) told me he voted because we won the war. What hope have you got when a war that finished 80 years ago shapes your opinion on modern day international trade.

I'm still trying to figure out one, just one benefit of leaving. I'm struggling.

The leave campaign was dishonest and misleading, but it was too effective. Leavers actually want to be poorer for no tangible benefits. You can't reason with people like that.

What a crass typical statement. I could have picked the student who thought the best thing about the EU was the NHS. She was demonstrating to stay in something she knew nothing about. The facts remain. I don’t tell you how to live your life, you don’t live like me. The EU wants to control how we live ours. This isn’t food anymore, it’s taxes, rules, laws, control. If you really like being controlled by them move to Europe.

[kettering_baggie]

The old saying, ‘If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it’, is very true regarding our relationship with the EU. Yes, the EU did need change but we have been massively better off as a result of our membership. Forty odd years of E U membership and all the countries involved have seen big improvements in living standards over those years. I would say though, that the EU should have read the danger signs and with just a few minor amendments, could have headed Brexit off. Yes, the Leave campaign did peddle lies but so did the Remain side, who were so condescending and patronising towards the British public that they were, in my opinion, a major contributor to the Leave argument. I actually believe that Boris and his chums always wanted a ‘no deal’ Brexit but maybe the lorry logjam due to the virus has given them cold feet? I will be surprised, though, if the far right of the Tory party will ever agree to any deal with the EU unless there is a total capitulation by the EU. I don’t believe that the EU is the intransigent party in these negotiations; we are going to be worse off for years. If ever there was a time for Europe to work together it’s now. What a state we’re in, what a World!

[WBA123]

“Indoctrinated” 😆😆😆😆😆

Oh the irony of that word coming via yourself, I almost spat my tea out laughing.

Your the biggest political zealot on this platform.

You disappear for weeks on end, which is a massive bonus because we have no political angst on here and when you do return it’s always political.......like I said, you’re a London Leftie Zealot 123.......You just can’t admit it.

Your comment about the war being “80 years ago” reeks of indifference and ignorance.

Most of you in your 30’s have not had the benefit of parents and very possibly grandparents who gave service or lived through the war.

A lot of us on here did.

My one grandad lied about his age at 16 to go and fight in WW1.

My other granddad was ten years younger and swam for his life at Dunkirk in WW2.

My dad had to move up to Durham to be safe from the bombings and spent his 4-10 years of age away from his home.

Your lack of understanding of the way those of us in the 50 - 70 age group respect and hold onto what our parents and grandparents fought for does you no credit.

I hope you’re blonde haired and have blue eyes because if it wasn’t for our elders it’s very likely you wouldn’t exist.

I do stay away from here for prolonged periods, not because of the football chat, but because of the political drivel that you are typically all over.

However, you are obviously proud of your family's military and war history, and justifiably so. They made huge sacrifices for us.

My point is, the war and Brexit are two completely separate things. The fact they are mentioned in the same breath is why the Leave campaign was so effective.

Also, a good chunk of people in their 30's would have had grandparents involved in the war. I am one of them. My one Grandad served but my other Grandad was too young, he lost two older brothers in the war. He grieved for his brothers until his dying day. Had he been alive for the Brexit referendum, he would have been ashamed at how the Leave campaign weaponised the war.

Which is something else I can't get my head around, you seem to think you know exactly what 'they fought for'. My understanding from my Grandparents was that they fought for future generations peace and prosperity. We had over 45 years of peace in Europe since we joined the EU. And its hard for me to fathom how leaving the EU will make us more prosperous.

So I think you misunderstand my respect to that generation, who were brave and selfless.

But it is fair to say I don't hold much respect for the 50-70 age group, who the majority have been nothing but selfish in pursuing a Brexit which will make the next generation poorer.

[Barrera]

I blame the EU for the situation to be honest with you Regis.

All they needed to do was to make some small concessions to Cameron when he explained how much his back was against the wall with the UKIP situation back home.

They refused and if I remember the French PM turned his back on him as he offered a handshake.

The EU could’ve killed the UKIP fox by maybe even charging us for a right to limit immigration based on the fact that as an island we needed a special status.

To much posturing and arrogance on their side I feel, they were so arrogant they thought we’d never vote to leave.

I agree with this. I voted Remain ..... but I do think the EU could have done much more to help Cameron and avoided this whole fiasco. I just think they never thought Leave would be get voted through ..... a massive miscalculation. Regardless of the behaviours of the Vote Leave campaign ..... Farage, Cash, Rees-Mogg and the rest .... who are oddly silent at the moment ..... I just feel at this time when countries desperately need to work together .... we are striking out alone .....I just hope we come to our senses and get a Trade Deal .... otherwise I can see years ahead of lorries being stuck at Dover .... just like last night .... the country is not in a good place right now .... lead by the incompetent Boris ..... bring on Rishi ... your country needs you ....

[soulman101]

Our Trade deficit with EU is £80 billion.
Surely it's in their favour to do a trade deal
Think out of the 27 it's only France who are blocking it.

[Barrera]

But this is not just about economics .... perhaps sadly .... the EU cannot allow a country to leave the bloc and be better off .... as every country would then try to leave. This is the whole crux of the negotiation .... it’s about politics.....

It seems to be the main sticking point is on Fishing Rights ..... maybe we have to give up a little on this .... to look at the bigger picture.....as Fishing represents only 0.1% of the UK economy ..... hard on the UK Fishing Industry.... but if we fall because of this it will be unforgivable IMO ..... regardless of our claims on Sovereign waters and the like ..... but agree it’s the French who are the “dogs in the manger” .... playing to the national political interests again ......

[WBA123]

Our Trade deficit with EU is £80 billion.
Surely it's in their favour to do a trade deal
Think out of the 27 it's only France who are blocking it.

You're not taking into account other factors. Its not all about the trade deficit.

These figures are not 100% accurate, but they are there or thereabouts...
We export £240b, from a market of 65m people. The EU market was around 55% of our exports.
The EU export to us £310bn ish, from a market of 500m people. The UK export market is worth around 7% of their exports.

Now tell me who trade is more important to? We are an important market to the EU, no doubt. But they are a fundamental market of ours and the largest trading bloc in the world.

A great example of how being part of a large bloc benefits us is the Moderna Pfizer vaccine that has just been approved, the UK bought 40m doses at $28. The EU consolidated their purchase and bought hundreds of millions of doses at $18. They have by far the greater buying power. We opted out of the EU vaccine scheme which included joint procurement. That cost us $400m.

[Leicesterbaggie]

I do believe that the French are the major movers behind the problem. In my humble opinion this refusal over entry has more to do with us leaving the EU than Covid.

[kettering_baggie]

I do believe that the French are the major movers behind the problem. In my humble opinion this refusal over entry has more to do with us leaving the EU than Covid.

You may well be right but just imagine if it were the French that we’re leaving the EU, how tolerant would we, the British, be of their demands and requirements? The British press would be vitriolic in their condemnation of our Gallic friends.

[DaveP67 is back!]

You may well be right but just imagine if it were the French that we’re leaving the EU, how tolerant would we, the British, be of their demands and requirements? The British press would be vitriolic in their condemnation of our Gallic friends.

Cheese eating surrender monkeys! France has more to loose through no deal than we do, most of rural France is held together by Brit holiday homes, the billions this and our holiday market pumps into their ailing economy keeps them afloat. They will do what they always do like the little man starting a fight from behind his bigger mates, ultimately they will bottle it and we will get a palatable trade agreement.