Quote Originally Posted by swaledale View Post
I'd say it has always been the state of humanity rA and anybody who has the temerity to suggest that there could be a different approach is dismissed as an idealist.

That of course is the lazy approach of people who seem to be unaware that much of what they enjoy in life today, be they vaccines, the health service, better wages, better working conditions, the right to free speech, better safety, have all been achieved by people who were idealists.

Of course ideals are not always fully attainable, but if there isn't the vision or the ideal then very little will be achieved.
Nutshell time...completely agree.