Yet more lies perpetuating panic

[islaydarkblue]

I know very little about the struggles of diehard unionists on the Isle of Islay under the SNP junta, apart from what you tell us all.

No-one has died solely from the covid-19 virus, is the right answer.

Despite what you may think I know a lot more about what is going on outwith Islay.
I am not going to tell you how many people have died in hospitals throughout Scotland solely from the Covid-19 virus. You give the impression that you know everything so you will obviously know the answer to my question.

[islaydarkblue]

Ok,let's take that figure of 100k dead. Now I will be extremely generous,and say that half of them were hit by a bus/had a heart attack/drowned/died of old age, or whatever other possible reason.

That still leaves 50 thousand people in the UK that would still be alive if not for covid.

That's 50,000 families. Do you want to tell those families they are grieving for someone to present a statistic to scare the public?

And if it is the case that numbers are being used falsely,what's the reason behind that? What does anyone have to gain from presenting numbers in that way?

I find it hard to believe even Boris and his chums would intentionally mislead the public just for shiggles.

You could almost make a case for misrepresentation to scare the public into following the advice given around the virus,but 50k probably works as well as 100k, so again,if it is all lies,who gains from those lies?

You have obviously not read my previous post where I posted the total number of people who had died solely from Covid-19 in NHS Tayside hospitals between 20th February 2020 to 20th December 2020 inclusive as a result of a Freedom of Information request and the answer.

[Deeranged]

Ok,let's take that figure of 100k dead. Now I will be extremely generous,and say that half of them were hit by a bus/had a heart attack/drowned/died of old age, or whatever other possible reason.

That still leaves 50 thousand people in the UK that would still be alive if not for covid.

That's 50,000 families. Do you want to tell those families they are grieving for someone to present a statistic to scare the public?

And if it is the case that numbers are being used falsely,what's the reason behind that? What does anyone have to gain from presenting numbers in that way?

I find it hard to believe even Boris and his chums would intentionally mislead the public just for shiggles.

You could almost make a case for misrepresentation to scare the public into following the advice given around the virus,but 50k probably works as well as 100k, so again,if it is all lies,who gains from those lies?

Firstly not everyone, not even half of them, have died simply because they got Covid. They've been obese, had heart conditions, COPD etc and contracting Covid has possibly caused complications in their underlying conditions.

Secondly - nope, that's it.

I said from the very start it was an exercise in social control, they deliberately implement draconian measures to control our behaviour with Covid given as the reason. They now know they'll get away with this for a year when it comes to them looking to do it without Covid or any other justification - a year and counting, it's likely to go to two.

[grantzer]

You have obviously not read my previous post where I posted the total number of people who had died solely from Covid-19 in NHS Tayside hospitals between 20th February 2020 to 20th December 2020 inclusive as a result of a Freedom of Information request and the answer.

No,I did. I just pretend you post nonsense for the fun of it.

[islaydarkblue]

I'd imagine most were individuals with an underlying condition many of whom tested positive within the previous 28 days and who died of the underlying condition with Covid-19 as a possible contributory factor. Obviously some will also have fallen victim to unfortunate accidents, unexpected strokes, heart attacks etc.

The drum I keep banging is related to the presentation of numbers designed solely to play on people's emotions, a bit like the nurse crying on the news after a shift where she only managed to walk away from her work station three times - twice for tik tok videos and once to clap a 'brave Covid survivor' (which was filmed for TV of course). I want relevant percentages - what percentage of the test numbers we're given were people presenting for a test having shown symptoms and what percentage of them tested positive? What percentage of positive tests end up in hospital? ICU? Morgue? What's the percentage increase in total deaths by all causes between the start of the breakout and now compared to the average over the last five years? Of the hundreds of thousands of tests what percentage are discrete individuals and how many are repeats on NHS staff etc? These things will tell us how much real effect this Covid is having.

I'm not a Covid denier or Covidiot like you tend to call anyone that disagrees with you, I just like to know the facts and we're not being given relevant ones.

Instead we're told the death toll reached 100,000 in the UK (sold as directly caused by Covid, but not) accompanied by sombre music and 'tributes to the dead' on the BBC. Does anyone remember back in the Soviet Union days TASS would go off air and only play sombre music as a way of telling people the president had died of alcohol poisoning? We're now seeing the state controlled BBC behave exactly like TASS.

Public Health Scotland have changed the rules for receiving a Covid-19 test.
Last October 2020 I had a Covid-19 test at Kings Cross Hospital because I had an upper respiratory tract infection.
On 29th December 2020 I had the same symptoms as last October 2020. I phoned NHS 24 and expected to be sent for yet another Covid-19 test. However I was informed that I no longer qualified for a Covid-19 test and I would have to contact a GP practice which I did and yet again I was suffering from another upper respiratory tract infection.
I have subsequently discovered that following Nicola and Jason’s advice to stay indoors to beat the Covid-19 virus this results in a breeding ground for upper respiratory tract infections and chest infections. People should go for a walk every day to get fresh air.
If I had taken the Covid-19 test under the previous rules the number of tests would have increased by one but the percentage of positive cases would have been fractionally lower. That is why there has been on one occasion over 12% of tests in a 24 hour period testing positive for Covid-19. They are now only testing people who fit the reduced criteria such as a loss of smell or taste, having a fever or being very breathless. Outwith this criteria you do not qualify for a Covid-19 test in Scotland despite health experts stating that one in three people in the U.K. are unaware that they have the Covid-19 virus.
Last summer the number of deaths from people having previously had a positive test were reduced because the ‘powers that be’ had been including a positive test for Covid-19 anytime in the past to the new rules of having a positive test in the previous 28 days.
In my opinion the politicians and Health experts keep changing the rules to suit their own agenda.
The Chinese government have a lot to answer and in my opinion they are trying to take over the Western world in the same way as they have taken over poor countries in Northern Africa.

[islaydarkblue]

No,I did. I just pretend you post nonsense for the fun of it.

Unlike you I saw the screen shot of the Freedom of Information request and the answer from NHS Tayside which had been posted on another forum.
The screen shot was removed because the moderators on that forum said that the
Freedom of Information request was misinformation. What a lot of rubbish. Freedom of Information requests are the only way that previously hidden information can dragged into the public domain.
The moderator on the other forum obviously had his own agenda and posters are not allowed to post the truth.

[grantzer]

Firstly not everyone, not even half of them, have died simply because they got Covid. They've been obese, had heart conditions, COPD etc and contracting Covid has possibly caused complications in their underlying conditions.

Secondly - nope, that's it.

I said from the very start it was an exercise in social control, they deliberately implement draconian measures to control our behaviour with Covid given as the reason. They now know they'll get away with this for a year when it comes to them looking to do it without Covid or any other justification - a year and counting, it's likely to go to two.

But they still would be alive if covid didn't exist. There may be a few who got covid,recovered completely then died within 28 days, but I would imagine that's less than ten,out of 10,000....

Now who wants to control our behaviour,and why? What do these people gain from this so called control?

I totally get that you did a year at the open university,and I totally get how that makes you an expert on everything, so please,apply all that knowledge to that question.

I will let you in on a secret here, my personal opinion is that Scotland has done very well compared to the rest of the UK. I also think the measures in place go a bit far in Scotland.

I also think that these measures are in place for political reasons,but whether that is true or not,I also believe those measures save lives.

And if they only save one life,it's worth it. Whether that person was obese,smoked,had cancer, or whatever their circumstances, if they are still alive because of the measures in place,it was worth it.

But it's not one person,it's way more than that. And they didn't die of COPD,obesity, or heart conditions, they died because covid made those things worse. If an obese man was stabbed,and the doctor said if he was thinner,we could have saved him, he still died because of the stabbing, not because of his weight.

And remember,this is not a UK thing,it's worldwide,and people are dying everywhere. Doctors everywhere are saying covid is the reason for them dying. Are you telling me the doctors are lying? Are the doctors gaining from that lie? All over the world? Is there a secret group of doctors desperate to take away my freedom?

So,again,who and why? Who wants to control us,and what do they gain?

If you can answer that,and convincingly,maybe I will start taking your covid posts seriously.

[grantzer]

Unlike you I saw the screen shot of the Freedom of Information request and the answer from NHS Tayside which had been posted on another forum.
The screen shot was removed because the moderators on that forum said that the
Freedom of Information request was misinformation. What a lot of rubbish. Freedom of Information requests are the only way that previously hidden information can dragged into the public domain.
The moderator on the other forum obviously had his own agenda and posters are not allowed to post the truth.

Do you think I care? The question posed in the FOI request was the wrong question,and had zero relevance.

By the way,are you in Islay or Dundee,you never answered last time I asked

[Returnofrros]

Ok,let's take that figure of 100k dead. Now I will be extremely generous,and say that half of them were hit by a bus/had a heart attack/drowned/died of old age, or whatever other possible reason.

That still leaves 50 thousand people in the UK that would still be alive if not for covid.

That's 50,000 families. Do you want to tell those families they are grieving for someone to present a statistic to scare the public?

And if it is the case that numbers are being used falsely,what's the reason behind that? What does anyone have to gain from presenting numbers in that way?

I find it hard to believe even Boris and his chums would intentionally mislead the public just for shiggles.

You could almost make a case for misrepresentation to scare the public into following the advice given around the virus,but 50k probably works as well as 100k, so again,if it is all lies,who gains from those lies?

It wouldn't be all those people alive.

Sage minuted meeting with Boris and cabinet....."the public ain't sufficiently scared enough"

[Returnofrros]

It's like me saying every suicide and heart attack during lockdown was because of lockdown due to people's mental state and lack of exercise.......Obviously this would be a false assumption but it's exactly what govt and their cheerleaders and lockdown fanatics are doing with the 100k figure.