Love this tweet

[Returnofrros]

cancer is a cause. The effect is liver/heart/lung/blood/brain failure or skin tissue that then degraded the whole immune system. I wont say there are any parralels with covid because we dont know but when someone catches this and their lungs degrade to a level of being put in a coma, fair to say the cause was covid and not natural causes. Alternatively, we could say the lungs packed up it could happen to anyone they were old and would have died anyway?

You fully recovered from covid or still having after effects?

Mind you saying (think it was you anyway) you were toiling a bit.

[hmac]

None of this can be true, cancer treatment continues as normal doesn't it?

Surely treatments for cancer and other chronic conditions haven't been reduced?

Or maybe some people just can't believe the NHS we're all asked to defend so vehemently is letting a lot of people down?

Or maybe personal experience is the opposite of what you said?

[Taintedice]

" we stayed at home to protect the NHS. We flattened the curve but the knock on effect was a death sentence for thousands of cancer patients"

Debbie James, panorama investigating govt policy on cancer patients.

"My friend Kelly Smith (31) died 13/6/20 after Chemo was stopped"

"She was brave, she was bonkers hilarious and kind - a mum to Findlay (6) a daughter, sister and friend:

Nut at the end of her life she was angry and afraid and blamed covid govt policy"

Scientists estimate that cancer may take 35000 lives prematurely because of lockdown.

So basically you have no evidence that thousands of people died because their cancer treatment was stopped. In fact, less people died from cancer in 2020 than average. Thousands died from covid first, but they are dismissed .. because they had cancer.

But if we're now allowed to talk about worst-case scenarios, 500,000 people would be dead now without lockdown.

[Taintedice]

A truly frightening estimate. Would be good to compare that number with excess deaths in 2020 but I can't find that information for some reason.

35,000 is already over 33% of the 100,000 deaths claimed to have been caused 'directly by' Covid the other day to date but obviously once the true details come to light I'd imagine the residual cancer and other chronic condition deaths, caused directly by lockdown, will exceed 50% of those caused directly by Covid - that'll be a cracking result for lockdown.

It's a worst case scenario by wan guy, it is not any more relevant than earlier predictions of 500,000 deaths without lockdown. You can't just pick and choose to suit yourself, it just shows how absolutely desperate you are to be proven right when you know you never can.

ffs you and rros have dismissed 99% of covid deaths because people had 'conditions', which include cancer. So do you care or not?

A comprehensive PHE study has estimated 100,000 will die because of lockdown over the next 5 years. But wan guy

[Taintedice]

A truly frightening estimate. Would be good to compare that number with excess deaths in 2020 but I can't find that information for some reason.

You can't find it because you don't want to because then you'd have to stop talking ****e.

Here are all the stats you'll need, feel free to find some to prove anything you'd like to say from now on in ..

https://fingertips.phe.org.uk/static...nd-latest.html

Click the All Persons tab at the start, it'll take you to excess mortality from Mar 2020, up to the report was published, that figure is now 80,000.

[Returnofrros]

So basically you have no evidence that thousands of people died because their cancer treatment was stopped. In fact, less people died from cancer in 2020 than average. Thousands died from covid first, but they are dismissed .. because they had cancer.

But if we're now allowed to talk about worst-case scenarios, 500,000 people would be dead now without lockdown.

An estimated 35000 will die because of Govt policy whether it's this year, next or years to come from one illness.

35000 is a conservative estimate.

Throw in those that will die of other conditions who haven't received treatment on time or have sought treatment on time or have had operations cancelled or delayed and it becomes pretty much uncountable.

Throw in the people whose lister years will have been miserable by not seeing friends and family and may have contributed to their death.

Sweden should have 116,000 deaths now...it dosent....lockdown kills.

I'll leave you to it, back the morrow.....away visiting.😎

[Taintedice]

An estimated 35000 will die because of Govt policy whether it's this year, next or years to come from one illness.

35000 is a conservative estimate.

Throw in those that will die of other conditions who haven't received treatment on time or have sought treatment on time or have had operations cancelled or delayed and it becomes pretty much uncountable.

Throw in the people whose lister years will have been miserable by not seeing friends and family and may have contributed to their death.

Sweden should have 116,000 deaths now...it dosent....lockdown kills.

I'll leave you to it, back the morrow.....away visiting.😎

Tory austerity was killing tens of thousands long before covid came along, did you care?

35,000 was an absolute worst-case scenario from June 2020 based on numbers of deaths should cancer services continue to be restricted.

"Delays to cancer diagnosis and treatment due to coronavirus could cause thousands of excess deaths in the UK within a year, research suggests.

Scientists suggest there could be at least 7,000 additional deaths - but in a worst case scenario that number could be as high as 35,000. " - from the BBC, July 2020.

NHS services ramped up again in June/July 2020 leading to a decrease in average cancer deaths for the remainder of the year. These stats are easily verifiable via the link I supplied. This is a link to the ONS, not some right-wing hacks. Which to believe, someone making it up as they go along, or the statistical authority for the UK.

Don't kill anyone on your travels, there's a good lad.

[BCram]

Taintedice. THANKS FOR THE LINK.
Is the figure for expected deaths shown anywhere. I can't get the arithmetic to work out. My bad no doubt.

[Returnofrros]

Tory austerity was killing tens of thousands long before covid came along, did you care?

35,000 was an absolute worst-case scenario from June 2020 based on numbers of deaths should cancer services continue to be restricted.

"Delays to cancer diagnosis and treatment due to coronavirus could cause thousands of excess deaths in the UK within a year, research suggests.

Scientists suggest there could be at least 7,000 additional deaths - but in a worst case scenario that number could be as high as 35,000. " - from the BBC, July 2020.

NHS services ramped up again in June/July 2020 leading to a decrease in average cancer deaths for the remainder of the year. These stats are easily verifiable via the link I supplied. This is a link to the ONS, not some right-wing hacks. Which to believe, someone making it up as they go along, or the statistical authority for the UK.

Don't kill anyone on your travels, there's a good lad.

Nobody died, unlike lockdoon la la land.😂

[Deeranged]

You can't find it because you don't want to because then you'd have to stop talking ****e.

Here are all the stats you'll need, feel free to find some to prove anything you'd like to say from now on in ..

https://fingertips.phe.org.uk/static...nd-latest.html

Click the All Persons tab at the start, it'll take you to excess mortality from Mar 2020, up to the report was published, that figure is now 80,000.

Covid deaths reported include instances where an individual has tested positive by PCR test within the 28 days preceding date of death.

The data on Covid deaths is where Covid is mentioned on the death certificate - not given as the actual cause of death.

Note of course that there is a disclaimer hidden within the report linked stating that 'the total excess was less than the number of deaths with a mention of COVID-19, indicating fewer deaths from other causes than expected'. Interesting disclaimer, why add it and why in such small print?

Now, I wonder why there were fewer deaths from 'other causes' than expected? Could it be that more 'other causes' deaths are being reported as Covid deaths than should be? Kind of proves what I've being saying all along, positive Covid tests within the preceding 28 days of death, and the subsequent naming of Covid on the death certificate as a result, are inflating the actual numbers of Covid deaths.

I can only really say thank you for pointing this information source out. To be honest I had skited over it the other day but couldn't really be arsed looking too closely, glad I did now.

Please now just accept that, with your help, I've proven my point that the counting of deaths where there has been a positive (unreliable) PCR test within the preceding 28 days is skewing the data.