Quote Originally Posted by grantzer View Post
Ok, I will try and make this as clear as I can.

You looked at number of deaths from non covid related illnesses,and saw the number had dropped. I agree

You then decided that you knew why,because people dying with non covid related illnesses were being recorded as covid deaths. With zero evidence. I disagree

I offered an alternative explanation. You disagreed with me.

Doctors are trained in medicine,I think we can all agree on that. They would be my go-to guys if I was looking for a cause of death. They say covid,I won't argue,they say cancer,I won't argue. They say hit by the 1B, again,I will go with that.

You however say you know better, despite your lack of medical expertise, the fact you have not examined any bodies,but because it suited a hypothesis you came up with to suit the results as you saw them.

Most research is done the other way round, but that doesn't really matter when your best guess is to go with doctors somehow writing covid on a death certificate for absolutely no reason,other than to annoy you.

Your research into this included looking at a set of numbers,then jumping to a conclusion,so I don't really need to prove you wrong,although the explanation above should go a long way to doing that.

I am guessing research methods was second year......shame
You're becoming too much like hard work so my last words on this.

I said there looks to be a correlation between numbers of Covid deaths and the reduction in numbers of expected deaths. I didn't say for absolutely certain that was the only reason, I proposed it as a hypothesis. That's all I've done.

I agree doctors are trained in medicine, however they are not the go to guys in establishing cause of death every time, that'll be the coroners. Doctors can only diagnose pre mortem and cannot make any call post mortem unless they themselves are qualified to carry out and report on the relevant examination. The doctors are quite correct in seeing a positive Covid test on the patient's pre mortem records and adding that to the death certificate, I made that very clear in my previous post. Once that word appears on the certificate however the death is attributed to Covid whether that has been the genuine and final cause or not. Such a death might normally be considered sudden and a post mortem might have been ordered however the one word on the certificate means that no post mortem will be required.

I have never said I know better than any doctor, I most definitely don't, I just question the validity of the dataset.

Most research is done by looking at empirical evidence, conducting appropriate analysis and reaching some kind of conclusion. I haven't actually done much research on this subject, all I've done is look at a report that I was directed to as disproving my initial thoughts and have formed a hypothesis in support of my original thoughts from that report. I raised a question that will most likely be asked later by people employed to do so and possessing the analytic tools and resource to properly investigate the correlation.

I've proposed no conclusion. I've asked you to disprove my hypothesis.

Research methods was pretty much core in both my degrees.