THE Ardley In/Out Thread [Multiple threads merged]

[PedroTheFisherman66]

Hold on you two, isn't this deja vu for the ump****th time?

You know the various viewpoints on why we were relegated two seasons ago discussed on multiple threads in the past. Remember the differing views on who was to blame, the acceptance by (I thought) all that it wasn't just one thing but a combination both on and off the field that contributed to relegation.

And now after all those discussions, debates and analysis, it's like you've totally forgotten and it's just one person's fault because of the style of play! Lol You can't make this **** up!

You guys really can't get past that season can you , it hurt it was a sh!tshow from the very start to the very end. And you want to bring that up again?!?! Think of others, think of the he board and above all will someone think of the children?!

Ken can't you wait like everyone unless until this season is concluded? Or are you one of the last remaining folk who are still clinging onto the hope that the owners will sack him mid season? I'd guess 90% on here agree get rid of he doesn't get up, keep if he gets us promoted. But there obviously are the odd few who can't accept that#noagenda

I can just imagine you and DavyFacts picketing night and day outside the gates at Meadow Lane demanding NA's removal whilst the owners are home in Denmark.

Be patient guys, if he's tactics and approach don't work he won't be manager and we get a new one to judge from our armchairs. We've had years and years of poor managers, mismanagement at board level, wasted seasons and now all of a sudden you are impatient#vivaNCM

I think you are deliberately missing the point .
we have to bring up the relegation and failure of promotion as these are both proof of his failure and limitations as a manager.
There can be no denying these facts
It was his job , it was what he was employed to do and was given vast amounts of cash to assemble squad's in search of these tasks.
I'm sorry its old ground but you seem to ignore past failure and harp on about this season.
This season has not been a shining example of success either.
why are we not the Barrow or Torquay of this league ?
I don't see 5th as an example of glory especially with a run of away games and a local derby to come.
if I can just run by you the recent game against Solihull where NA said that it was difficult in the 1st half for his players as they (Solihull) had changed the way they played and wasn't what the players had trained for.
Now any decent manager would have seen what had happened and changed the team accordingly as soon as he could see there was a problem and what the solution was.
Not our Neal , he decided to watch his players struggle and discuss it at half time.
An example of poor management , or maybe this is the Reedtz Brothers fault ?

[Killerkline]

I think you are deliberately missing the point .
we have to bring up the relegation and failure of promotion as these are both proof of his failure and limitations as a manager.
There can be no denying these facts
It was his job , it was what he was employed to do and was given vast amounts of cash to assemble squad's in search of these tasks.
I'm sorry its old ground but you seem to ignore past failure and harp on about this season.
This season has not been a shining example of success either.
why are we not the Barrow or Torquay of this league ?
I don't see 5th as an example of glory especially with a run of away games and a local derby to come.
if I can just run by you the recent game against Solihull where NA said that it was difficult in the 1st half for his players as they (Solihull) had changed the way they played and wasn't what the players had trained for.
Now any decent manager would have seen what had happened and changed the team accordingly as soon as he could see there was a problem and what the solution was.
Not our Neal , he decided to watch his players struggle and discuss it at half time.
An example of poor management , or maybe this is the Reedtz Brothers fault ?

Some of the above I agree with and there are occasions when I have questioned NA e.g performance/result at Dover and subsequent long grass comments. However, some of the above I question;
- was NA really given vast sums of money in the relegation season?
- ‘changed the team accordingly’, wasn’t half time the correct time to do this?
I don’t want to get involved in private discussions. But, curious. I may be seeing things incorrectly.

[PedroTheFisherman66]

Some of the above I agree with and there are occasions when I have questioned NA e.g performance/result at Dover and subsequent long grass comments. However, some of the above I question;
- was NA really given vast sums of money in the relegation season?
- ‘changed the team accordingly’, wasn’t half time the correct time to do this?
I don’t want to get involved in private discussions. But, curious. I may be seeing things incorrectly.

With regards your questions I can only reply as I see it
In the relegation campaign he bought numerous players into the squad to no avail.
With regards changing the team , I didn't mean bring a substitute on , he could have easily made a change in formation to counter those pesky kids for changing their tactics and confusing our players.
He said it himself they changed their tactics and our players struggled as it was not what we trained for.
If you see something is wrong do you not attempt to rectify it there and then , especially if you know what the answer is?

[Killerkline]

With regards your questions I can only reply as I see it
In the relegation campaign he bought numerous players into the squad to no avail.
With regards changing the team , I didn't mean bring a substitute on , he could have easily made a change in formation to counter those pesky kids for changing their tactics and confusing our players.
He said it himself they changed their tactics and our players struggled as it was not what we trained for.
If you see something is wrong do you not attempt to rectify it there and then , especially if you know what the answer is?

Yes, he did bring in numerous players. But, in my opinion, this didn’t represent vast amounts of money. Part of the problem, NA took what he could.

I didn’t believe that you meant substitutions. Maybe NA thought that making adjustments at half time was a better approach than trying to make changes mid game. Doing this at half-time allowed for better communication/instruction to the whole team.

[Notts78]

With regards your questions I can only reply as I see it
In the relegation campaign he bought numerous players into the squad to no avail.
With regards changing the team , I didn't mean bring a substitute on , he could have easily made a change in formation to counter those pesky kids for changing their tactics and confusing our players.
He said it himself they changed their tactics and our players struggled as it was not what we trained for.
If you see something is wrong do you not attempt to rectify it there and then , especially if you know what the answer is?

Yes he brought in a number of players but that’s only half the story. The issue that season was who he couldn’t get rid of. It was well documented that the changing room wasn’t a good one and it wasn’t a case of telling a player to train with the kids as it seems that would have divided an already fractious squad further.
It doesn’t exonerate NA from his responsibility or give him excuses for taking us out of the EFL but it would be too simplistic to say he was backed to the hilt and that’s it.

[Davy500]

" So basically your saying any manager now should get a minimum of 3 seasons, no matter what ??"

No, never said that never will. No idea where you have got that from.

Sorry but only a fool wouldn't attribute any blame to the Chairman season seeing as he did all the hiring and firing. I've only come across one person so far who has Hardy as blameless. Congratulations.

If we don't go up and Ardley is giving another season I'll be annoyed and disappointed#proardley

But I will smirk because it will probably finish you and Ken off . If that happens I'm grabbing some popcorn and watching the Pitchforks spiral out of control lol

That is exactly what you have said in your reasons for sticking with Ardley, and because Notts sack managers too soon, any manager should be given time - your words
So your are saying any manager gets 2 or 3 years minimum no matter what, because we have sacked to many before

[Davy500]

Yes he brought in a number of players but that’s only half the story. The issue that season was who he couldn’t get rid of. It was well documented that the changing room wasn’t a good one and it wasn’t a case of telling a player to train with the kids as it seems that would have divided an already fractious squad further.
It doesn’t exonerate NA from his responsibility or give him excuses for taking us out of the EFL but it would be too simplistic to say he was backed to the hilt and that’s it.

The issue that season was who he could,nt get rid off ?? What a load of tosh, when a new manager joins any club, there are players already on the books, so Ardley is no different, and it certainly does not change the fact that it was him that was largely responsible

[Davy500]

It might finish Notts County off though if Ardley remains, which is nothing to Smirk at

[PedroTheFisherman66]

Yes, he did bring in numerous players. But, in my opinion, this didn’t represent vast amounts of money. Part of the problem, NA took what he could.

I didn’t believe that you meant substitutions. Maybe NA thought that making adjustments at half time was a better approach than trying to make changes mid game. Doing this at half-time allowed for better communication/instruction to the whole team.

lets re phrase this then, he had some money to bring players in , and one of his decisions to free up money was to let Dennis go out on loan ( apparently has was said on here many times)
so to recap , the players he bought in were no better than we had and he let his natural goal scorer leave the club on loan.
if as people say attitudes were the issue then Ardley didn't really seem to challenge them, just replace them with inferior.
Compare his period to that of Kewell who had identified a trouble causer or weak link in the team (stead) and was in the process of ridding him from the club and had no transfer window to work with.
Signed I believe two players both who were without a club as this was is only avenue to improve the teams well as promoting youth from within the club.
Basically making brave decisions with what he had to work with, challenging the old guard.
Kewell made a better go of it with less tools so to speak , Ardley came in and failed despite being backed in the transfer marker and being able to sign numerous players
also I still don't see why if you see a problem on the pitch why a manager wouldn't act there and then.
If he is unable to communicate instructions then he must have coaching limitations , and wouldn't alternative approaches to a game be used in daily training ready to be implemented when needed ?
wasting 45 mins of a game to alter a problem a need seems an awful waste of game time
perhaps that is just me , I haven't NAs qualifications.

[i961pie]

I don't know what the response is on Twitter about whether Ardley should be sacked or not but the posts I read on Facebook suggest there is an overwhelming majority in his favour to stay on.