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Thread: Score, scorers and attendance predictions vs. Dagenham & Redbridge 09.02.21

  1. #101
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    Quote Originally Posted by matt_magpie View Post
    Tippy tappy did get us joint second most goals scored last season. Personally I think the loss of Dennis, Thomas and Roberts is the biggest reason for the goals drying up. Last night we scored 3 which I believe was more down to they came at us and left spaces at the back, hence why Ruben and Enzio were so effective, usually they have players doubling up on them but last night they were able to counter at pace in space.
    That said this season we have a big issue with scoring goals, absolutely no one can deny that and it's been hard watching. Ardley does need to work it out with the players, like you say Enzio could cheat and stay up more, full backs could attack more aggressively though DKE was always going to struggle being right footed and we could play if forward more regardless to whether the pass is 100% on. It's more tweaks than anything and just getting the balance, but the positives is whilst we try to find the solution, keeping clean sheets and grinding out wins isn't a bad thing.
    The search continues for the big winning run formula...
    It's interesting, Wootton lost his way scoring wise playing as the lone man - even if he had attacking midfield players joining him.
    Now it's 4 goals from 2 home games playing with a strike partner...
    I think the clue is there as well with Reeves left alone holding in centre-mid...it was fine.
    4-1-3-2 at home and 4-4-2 away?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PedroTheFisherman66 View Post
    Yes KTD hes full of surprises all right.
    The biggest being we have a team full of attacking flare that is normally suppressed in his never ending quest of respecting the point.
    If last night proved anything it's that we have a great attacking set of players when unleashed.
    I'm not sure who we've scored 3 against ..
    Name them and see if it actually means anything.or was it against the semi pros in this league?
    However
    An example of his previous negativity would be the torquay game.
    They are in a mini slump and yet we were happy to worry more about them than utilise our attacking players.
    If you have enzio on the left use him in his attacking mode not as a covering midfielder.
    I'm sure we are all happy with last night's win and the way we won.
    Surely there is no reason for reverting to the negative approach when we play better playing aggressive football.
    Isn't that what we all want, to win and win in style if possible?
    Or do you prefer tippy tappy snatch a win approach?
    I totally agree. To win is the priority, and to win in style is second.
    Where our opinions differ so dramatically is you think when we aren’t playing how we did last night, it’s because Ardley has told them not too.
    Our tactic is pretty much the same every game, he just tinkers with the formation. We play out from the back to draw them in and create space, and then get it out wide with the full backs supporting. Where we struggle is when we’re sloppy with our passing and we can’t move the ball fast enough. And also when the opposition sit back so we’re forced to start playing it long. Last night was nothing to do with a change in tactic, everyone just clicked. The defence were their normal rocks, Reeves passing was sharp, Enzio and Ruben were then finding space to do the damage, and Wootton was clinical. And knowles was also very good.
    The wingers still worked back when we lost it, Reeves still mainly passed it sideways, and we still tried to work it from the back, which is all the things you would be criticising if we hadn’t stuck the ball in the net three times!
    You referred to the Torquay game. For a start they were flying when we played them and we hadn’t played for weeks, but whatever it’s just another fact you’ve got wrong! That game was far from pretty but our approach was the same. The difference was Reeves passing was woeful, Enzio was having an off game and Wootton missed two opportunities that he would normally score. Ardley can’t do much about any of that apart from sub them.
    Enzio was then having a similar game against Solihull and on the match thread was getting stick until he picked the ball up and tore them apart and gifted a goal for Wootton. That’s why he rarely gets subbed, particularly in games where the opposition sit back and it’s going to take a moment of individual brilliance to win the game.
    I’m not saying Ardley is without fault and will make decisions I don’t agree with, and I’m not saying he’s the man that can take us back up through the leagues. But I’m yet to see any evidence that he ISN’T that man, and for that reason I support everything he and the owners are trying to do.
    And after years of farcical owners and a Merry go round of managers, it astounds me that people can’t get on board with that!

  3. #103
    Quote Originally Posted by matt_magpie View Post
    Tippy tappy did get us joint second most goals scored last season. Personally I think the loss of Dennis, Thomas and Roberts is the biggest reason for the goals drying up. Last night we scored 3 which I believe was more down to they came at us and left spaces at the back, hence why Ruben and Enzio were so effective, usually they have players doubling up on them but last night they were able to counter at pace in space.
    That said this season we have a big issue with scoring goals, absolutely no one can deny that and it's been hard watching. Ardley does need to work it out with the players, like you say Enzio could cheat and stay up more, full backs could attack more aggressively though DKE was always going to struggle being right footed and we could play if forward more regardless to whether the pass is 100% on. It's more tweaks than anything and just getting the balance, but the positives is whilst we try to find the solution, keeping clean sheets and grinding out wins isn't a bad thing.
    Last season we had a supply of worldies created by individual brilliance ...
    Not sublime tactics..
    I think this is the problem.
    Last night display result and performance was immense.
    All we ask is that we approach all games in the same manner .
    That is with positivety not reckless abandon..
    How many times have we won like this in 2 and a bit seasons..
    A Positive approach on the pitch is the way forward.
    If teams have to sit back and crowd their box to deny us chances then great..they wont be pumping balls into our box will they..?

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    I also think having 2 full backs playing in the correct position who are capable of beating a man and getting a cross in is important. It's tricky for DKE when he's playing left back, and Brindley can put a ball in but seems to lack the confidence to take his man on consistently. I thought last night that DKE and Barnett were the best full back combination we've had all season, with pace and bite and an attacking edge. I like Miller too, but he was clearly playing out of position at left back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kill_the_drum View Post
    I totally agree. To win is the priority, and to win in style is second.
    Where our opinions differ so dramatically is you think when we aren’t playing how we did last night, it’s because Ardley has told them not too.
    Our tactic is pretty much the same every game, he just tinkers with the formation. We play out from the back to draw them in and create space, and then get it out wide with the full backs supporting. Where we struggle is when we’re sloppy with our passing and we can’t move the ball fast enough. And also when the opposition sit back so we’re forced to start playing it long. Last night was nothing to do with a change in tactic, everyone just clicked. The defence were their normal rocks, Reeves passing was sharp, Enzio and Ruben were then finding space to do the damage, and Wootton was clinical. And knowles was also very good.
    The wingers still worked back when we lost it, Reeves still mainly passed it sideways, and we still tried to work it from the back, which is all the things you would be criticising if we hadn’t stuck the ball in the net three times!
    You referred to the Torquay game. For a start they were flying when we played them and we hadn’t played for weeks, but whatever it’s just another fact you’ve got wrong! That game was far from pretty but our approach was the same. The difference was Reeves passing was woeful, Enzio was having an off game and Wootton missed two opportunities that he would normally score. Ardley can’t do much about any of that apart from sub them.
    Enzio was then having a similar game against Solihull and on the match thread was getting stick until he picked the ball up and tore them apart and gifted a goal for Wootton. That’s why he rarely gets subbed, particularly in games where the opposition sit back and it’s going to take a moment of individual brilliance to win the game.
    I’m not saying Ardley is without fault and will make decisions I don’t agree with, and I’m not saying he’s the man that can take us back up through the leagues. But I’m yet to see any evidence that he ISN’T that man, and for that reason I support everything he and the owners are trying to do.
    And after years of farcical owners and a Merry go round of managers, it astounds me that people can’t get on board with that!
    Very well put.

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    ’m not saying Ardley is without fault and will make decisions I don’t agree with, and I’m not saying he’s the man that can take us back up through the leagues. But I’m yet to see any evidence that he ISN’T that man, and for that reason I support everything he and the owners are trying to do.
    And after years of farcical owners and a Merry go round of managers, it astounds me that people can’t get on board with that!

    Well that is exactly what you are saying, your yet to see evidense ArdleY is not the man -are you real-and where have you been for the last 2 years ??
    Even if he gets us promoted, he has wasted 2 years, and just balanced the books
    He we go again justifying Ardley, by farcical owners, and merry go round of managers - what nonsense. Remember without these farcical owners there would be no Notts County at all

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    Quote Originally Posted by kill_the_drum View Post
    I totally agree. To win is the priority, and to win in style is second.
    Where our opinions differ so dramatically is you think when we aren’t playing how we did last night, it’s because Ardley has told them not too.
    Our tactic is pretty much the same every game, he just tinkers with the formation. We play out from the back to draw them in and create space, and then get it out wide with the full backs supporting. Where we struggle is when we’re sloppy with our passing and we can’t move the ball fast enough. And also when the opposition sit back so we’re forced to start playing it long. Last night was nothing to do with a change in tactic, everyone just clicked. The defence were their normal rocks, Reeves passing was sharp, Enzio and Ruben were then finding space to do the damage, and Wootton was clinical. And knowles was also very good.
    The wingers still worked back when we lost it, Reeves still mainly passed it sideways, and we still tried to work it from the back, which is all the things you would be criticising if we hadn’t stuck the ball in the net three times!
    You referred to the Torquay game. For a start they were flying when we played them and we hadn’t played for weeks, but whatever it’s just another fact you’ve got wrong! That game was far from pretty but our approach was the same. The difference was Reeves passing was woeful, Enzio was having an off game and Wootton missed two opportunities that he would normally score. Ardley can’t do much about any of that apart from sub them.
    Enzio was then having a similar game against Solihull and on the match thread was getting stick until he picked the ball up and tore them apart and gifted a goal for Wootton. That’s why he rarely gets subbed, particularly in games where the opposition sit back and it’s going to take a moment of individual brilliance to win the game.
    I’m not saying Ardley is without fault and will make decisions I don’t agree with, and I’m not saying he’s the man that can take us back up through the leagues. But I’m yet to see any evidence that he ISN’T that man, and for that reason I support everything he and the owners are trying to do.
    And after years of farcical owners and a Merry go round of managers, it astounds me that people can’t get on board with that!
    A very good post, and the last paragraph should be read by all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Davy500 View Post
    ’m not saying Ardley is without fault and will make decisions I don’t agree with, and I’m not saying he’s the man that can take us back up through the leagues. But I’m yet to see any evidence that he ISN’T that man, and for that reason I support everything he and the owners are trying to do.
    And after years of farcical owners and a Merry go round of managers, it astounds me that people can’t get on board with that!

    Well that is exactly what you are saying, your yet to see evidense ArdleY is not the man -are you real-and where have you been for the last 2 years ??
    Even if he gets us promoted, he has wasted 2 years, and just balanced the books
    He we go again justifying Ardley, by farcical owners, and merry go round of managers - what nonsense. Remember without these farcical owners there would be no Notts County at all
    Where have I been for the last two years?
    I watched our club nearly go out of existence, and despite only assembling a squad as the season started, we finished 3rd in the league after it was cut short and made the play off final. I also saw us get to the semi final of the cup.
    Since then I’ve watched us mount a similar promotion push and hopefully we’ll go a step further and get back into the football league.
    Off the pitch I’ve seen new owners that seem to be level headed, patient, and have no interest in the spotlight being on them.
    It also looks like we’ve adopted a transfer policy of signing players in the ascendency of there careers. Lacey, Rodrigues, Roberts, Wootton. All young and all seem to be improving (Robert’s injury aside).
    So yeah, that’s where I’ve been for the last two years.
    It isn’t the pinnacle of my time supporting Notts, but I’m actually excited to see where the current management team can take us with this refreshing new approach!

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    Quote Originally Posted by kill_the_drum View Post
    Where have I been for the last two years?
    I watched our club nearly go out of existence, and despite only assembling a squad as the season started, we finished 3rd in the league after it was cut short and made the play off final. I also saw us get to the semi final of the cup.
    Since then I’ve watched us mount a similar promotion push and hopefully we’ll go a step further and get back into the football league.
    Off the pitch I’ve seen new owners that seem to be level headed, patient, and have no interest in the spotlight being on them.
    It also looks like we’ve adopted a transfer policy of signing players in the ascendency of there careers. Lacey, Rodrigues, Roberts, Wootton. All young and all seem to be improving (Robert’s injury aside).
    So yeah, that’s where I’ve been for the last two years.
    It isn’t the pinnacle of my time supporting Notts, but I’m actually excited to see where the current management team can take us with this refreshing new approach!
    Good post, there's alot still to be positive about this season. I think we'll have a good ending.

  10. #110
    Quote Originally Posted by SwalePie View Post
    Very well put.
    Nicely written , but not true...
    Torquay are in a slump, who's to say if we went for their jugular they would have crumbled.
    Apparently our game was the start of their slump.
    So how is that wrong?...
    You say our style hasnt changed well it's a style that has failed us for two seasons at present.
    It's hard to argue that element because I hear the games and song see them.
    But it certainly sounds like the old defensive set up to me.
    And the lack of chances created would seem to verify that.
    I hope last night was a change because we need it.
    Anyway let's see how the 4 away games pan out.
    A true test of where our abilities lay
    Fingers crossed 4 wins ...then hopefully it will shut the pitchfork brigade up
    Xxxxx

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