Vaccine Passports

[bordering]

Vaccine does NOT prevent you getting it or passing it on.It helps reduce the effects

It has been developed in less than a year- its long term side effects are unknown.


The vaccine providers are immune from all legal action

The cases are under-reported as many get it without knowing.

Deaths are over-reported dying with not of C-19.

Thus the max death toll is 120000 some 0.18% of the population and their average age 81.

Estimated economic cost- worst recession for over 300 years plus The educational, other health issues, etc etc. will be there for years

So you think this loss of liberty worth it? so you think the vaccine is the answer?

That's your choice and opinion just wonder what you base it on in the light of the facts not the anecdotes.

Can you skip the abuse and present your facts.

And I'm in a high risk group- old , BP and type 2 diabetes so this is not " I'm all alright Jack" but a genuine concern for the future of the country esp the young and the small business owner.

If you reply FACTS please not ABUSE

[wbaliquidator]

Vaccine does NOT prevent you getting it or passing it on.It helps reduce the effects

It has been developed in less than a year- its long term side effects are unknown.


The vaccine providers are immune from all legal action

The cases are under-reported as many get it without knowing.

Deaths are over-reported dying with not of C-19.

Thus the max death toll is 120000 some 0.18% of the population and their average age 81.

Estimated economic cost- worst recession for over 300 years plus The educational, other health issues, etc etc. will be there for years

So you think this loss of liberty worth it? so you think the vaccine is the answer?

That's your choice and opinion just wonder what you base it on in the light of the facts not the anecdotes.

Can you skip the abuse and present your facts.

And I'm in a high risk group- old , BP and type 2 diabetes so this is not " I'm all alright Jack" but a genuine concern for the future of the country esp the young and the small business owner.

If you reply FACTS please not ABUSE

Boardering… no abuse from me just hard facts . Don’t have time to reply to all your proclamations so started with first on your list illustrating how effective the vaccines are. Remember it’s all about stopping people getting really sick needing hospital treatment and losing their lives.
Honestly the results are stunning 72% efficacious after 1 dose 86% after 2nd dose

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers....act_id=3790399

Conclusion Vaccine effectively prevents both symptomatic and asymptomatic infection in working age adults Cohort was vaccinated when the dominant variant in circulation was B1.1.7. Simply put it DOES stop transmission as well.
Also
Public health Scotland Fourth week after first dose, reduced risk of hospitalisation Pfizer, down 84% (n = 650,000) Oxford-AstraZeneca, down 94% (n = 490,000) Combined reduction in over 80s Vaccination associated with 81% reduction in hospitalisation risk in the fourth week

Massive study from Norwich using primary data from Israel with over half a million participants ( probably biggest data set study in history) showing after only ONE SINGLE dose after 21 days a staggering 91% efficacy.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1...PwQiDEMEGViTtI

Its fine having an open mind but if its too wide our brains will fall out !

[baggieal]

Boardering… no abuse from me just hard facts . Don’t have time to reply to all your proclamations so started with first on your list illustrating how effective the vaccines are. Remember it’s all about stopping people getting really sick needing hospital treatment and losing their lives.
Honestly the results are stunning 72% efficacious after 1 dose 86% after 2nd dose

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers....act_id=3790399

Conclusion Vaccine effectively prevents both symptomatic and asymptomatic infection in working age adults Cohort was vaccinated when the dominant variant in circulation was B1.1.7. Simply put it DOES stop transmission as well.
Also
Public health Scotland Fourth week after first dose, reduced risk of hospitalisation Pfizer, down 84% (n = 650,000) Oxford-AstraZeneca, down 94% (n = 490,000) Combined reduction in over 80s Vaccination associated with 81% reduction in hospitalisation risk in the fourth week

Massive study from Norwich using primary data from Israel with over half a million participants ( probably biggest data set study in history) showing after only ONE SINGLE dose after 21 days a staggering 91% efficacy.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1...PwQiDEMEGViTtI

Its fine having an open mind but if its too wide our brains will fall out !

Some good facts there! No abuse from me as it's personal choice who has the vaccine and who declines it! Those that decline it though can't expect roses in the garden ie entering other countries as they used to, or even be in certain jobs where the protection of people is 100%, or shouting at businesses who make up the own rules as it's their premises. Bit like saying shops can't demand that exemptions ( those without masks ) can't enter their premises - they can and many businesses are now doing it with simple signs - no mask no entry including exemptions because we deliver!!

If I had the choice when crowds are let in to football matches again - sit next to a vaccinated person or a non vaccinated person - it's obvious what the choice would be! Just saying...........................