O/T. The Government's handling of Covid

[Andy_Faber]

As ironic in fact as Brexit and other nationalists fervent support for a "British" Royal family, when they Queen is german and her consort greek,

I know you're desperate to talk yourself out of an awkward situation, but where do you get this **** from.

Prince Phillip has been a British subject since 1947 and yes we know he was born in Greece. By your twisted logic, Cliff Richard, Joe strummer, Spike Milligan, Audrey Hepburn, John Barnes, Terry Butcher and JRR tolkein for Gods sake aren't British. Not to mention millions of ordinary folk who who were born overseas yet identify as British.

HMQ is British and was born in London. Where do you get German from?

This just amplifies the suspicion not only about selective xenophobia but also a twisted anti-royal streak. I would take a break if I were you

[Trickytreesreds]

I know you're desperate to talk yourself out of an awkward situation, but where do you get this **** from.

Prince Phillip has been a British subject since 1947 and yes we know he was born in Greece. By your twisted logic, Cliff Richard, Joe strummer, Spike Milligan, Audrey Hepburn, John Barnes, Terry Butcher and JRR tolkein for Gods sake aren't British. Not to mention millions of ordinary folk who who were born overseas yet identify as British.

HMQ is British and was born in London. Where do you get German from?

This just amplifies the suspicion not only about selective xenophobia but also a twisted anti-royal streak. I would take a break if I were you

It is selective. By his logic, all "immigrants " in the UK since WW2 are not British then?
Born here or not?
That is selective xenophobia and racist.

[swaledale]

I know you're desperate to talk yourself out of an awkward situation, but where do you get this **** from.

Prince Phillip has been a British subject since 1947 and yes we know he was born in Greece. By your twisted logic, Cliff Richard, Joe strummer, Spike Milligan, Audrey Hepburn, John Barnes, Terry Butcher and JRR tolkein for Gods sake aren't British. Not to mention millions of ordinary folk who who were born overseas yet identify as British.

HMQ is British and was born in London. Where do you get German from?

This just amplifies the suspicion not only about selective xenophobia but also a twisted anti-royal streak. I would take a break if I were you

I'm not in an awkward situation except through the very narrow perspective you have on life. Though its clear that actually you don't understand what I'm saying.

Interestingly I did not discuss citizenship and that shows only to clearly misunderstanding of the argument I was making, a person is a British citizen irrespective of original nationality, which apparently is acceptable to many Brexit and people with right wing views if their "Royal" but not acceptable if they are an ordinary citizen.

In actual fact immigration has been a force for good for the Uk, yes there are some immigrants who aren't, just as there are many "native" brits who frankly the country wouldn't miss and again those double standards apply. Its pure hypocrisy.

Kings and queens are symbols of national unity. For royalists they even embody the nation. Yet they have rarely been thoroughgoing members of the nation or nations over which they reign. This is because from at least the early Middle Ages royals have chosen or been required to marry other royals, who have been almost inevitably foreigners. In truth they are a separate entity, much of it manufactured to suit circumstances.

The House of Windsor is really the House of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha. One hundred years ago this summer, in July 1917, George V issued a proclamation larded with many a “whereas” and “declare” to announce that henceforth all male descendants of Queen Victoria were to be known by the new surname of “Windsor”. George’s cousin, the German Kaiser, remarked that he was looking forward to watching a performance of “The Merry Wives of Saxe-Coburg”.

I mean com eon, you can't say the Royals represent 100's of years of history and then conveniently overlook parts of it because it doesn't suit a particular narrative.

So to repeat my point clearly its very ironic that very people who are often ardent royalists are the ones that make such a fuss about immigration and the so called "threat" of immigrants to the country. I mean all this fuss about Meghan and a mixed race American joining a family composed of a bloodline that has been drawn from all over europe, just shows that double standard.

Twisted anti Royal sentiment, mm I've nothing against the royals per se, its the institution I object to and I'm puzzled how a self proclaimed Christian can find the idea of superiority of one family purely by accident of birth an acceptable concept?

I don't recollect Jesus being quoted as saying "And lo there shall be a class of men whom God will favour over others and all others shall be subservient to them!"

Surely a mature democracy should have abandoned the Monarchy by now, or is it just that in reality many British are a paradoxical mix of thinking they are the "greatest people on earth" whilst at the same time have a need to be subservient to their so called "betters". We should respect people irrespective of their origin or so called status in life, but as a society we seem hung up on class and the thieving aristocracy which as history shows obtained their land and wealth by royal patronage, that land having very often been removed from the control and ownership of poor people.

It wouldn't be so bad if the Royals had actually entered the 20th century, (its a step too far to expect them to enter the current cenury) as others have done in say Norway or The Netherlands, but frankly the sooner we ditch the Monarchy and become and more equal egalitarian nation the better.

[Andy_Faber]

Twisted anti Royal sentiment, mm I've nothing against the royals per se

I should really sit back and let TTR take you apart on this but he's not around, maybe the Mail On sunday was a bit late being delivered today.

In post 1578 you made two factually incorrect statements, in post 1583 I called you out on them, whilst making no statement pro- or anti- the institution in question. Now you can't stop bleating on about it, including making assumptions about my leanings on the subject, which I haven't shared.

As I've said, take a break. You've gone from trowel to spade to shovel, don't make that hole so big you need a mini-digger

[swaledale]

I should really sit back and let TTR take you apart on this but he's not around, maybe the Mail On sunday was a bit late being delivered today.

In post 1578 you made two factually incorrect statements, in post 1583 I called you out on them, whilst making no statement pro- or anti- the institution in question. Now you can't stop bleating on about it, including making assumptions about my leanings on the subject, which I haven't shared.

As I've said, take a break. You've gone from trowel to spade to shovel, don't make that hole so big you need a mini-digger

Oh my when the level of arrogant cobblers increases in your posts I can tell your on the back foot.

As is usual with you, you nit pick around an argument rather than address the core of it, most likely because your incapable of addressing the core.

Your as is often the case wrong in your assertion that you called me out on two factually incorrect statements - not a surprise seeing as you called me out on racism that was clearly not (and this from someone who uses the phrase "broadly non racist) and then attributed a statement of mine to be xenophobic - tip do look up definitions before making a prat of yourself in a post!

Yes I was wrong to infer the Queen was German, she is of German heritage, however, you didnt say this, but said she was born is the UK as if that made a person British, so no cigar there!

Secondly the Duke of Edinburgh is Greek, undeniably so, but according to you this all changed when he took British citizenship! Nope he is still in fact Greek! Yes he is a British citizen, but it doesn't change the fact my statement was correct. So no cigar there either.

You completely ignore the premise of my argument, but I can see that is either because you don't understand it, though its not complicated, but I really shouldn't assume a level of comprehension you don't seem to have> Or that you choose not to, it could even be because you disagree with it, but then as per usual you don't really convey that.

Thicky take me apart? Please! If you think he could do that or even string together a coherent argument based on facts than I really have over estimated you!

Your right I don't know whether your anti Royal or pro Royal, I don't know whether your a racist and xenophobe or just pretending not to be. i don't knwo whether your a bigot or just blinkered or simply thick.

All I have to go on are your contradictory posts generally filled with falsehoods and inaccuracies and a worrying ability to say one thing yet seem to be someone who believes quite the opposite.

I do know quite of lot of what you claim is bull****, I have a good bull**** detector and your posts absolutely reek of it! Maybe you should take your own advice as you do a good job of posting stuff that makes you seem thick.

Anyway it is very amusing reading what you post.

[ramAnag]

Surely a mature democracy should have abandoned the Monarchy by now, or is it just that in reality many British are a paradoxical mix of thinking they are the "greatest people on earth" whilst at the same time have a need to be subservient to their so called "betters". We should respect people irrespective of their origin or so called status in life, but as a society we seem hung up on class and the thieving aristocracy which as history shows obtained their land and wealth by royal patronage, that land having very often been removed from the control and ownership of poor people.

Agreed...this ‘paradoxical’, or even schizophrenic, mix was also apparent in what I was talking about in the case of my 40 year old friend being vaccinated two or three days ago.
He only became eligible because many of the 60-65 locals, who were in terms of age appropriateness far more eligible, had been frightened off by scare stories about the AZ vaccine from Europe.
This was in an area that voted overwhelmingly for Brexit and yet, when they had to make a choice, chose to believe European scaremongering over UK science. Go figure...nowt so queer as folk.