Scottish Government moving the goalposts

[Taintedice]

I think it would be wise to wait and see how Brexit beds down. That's going to take quite a while and it may be that the things that we like about Europe such as ease of travel, free trade and shared policing etc will be possible. If that were to be the case I don't see independence in Europe as being much of a strategy for the SNP.

I think Brexit is a bit like McPake. Give it/him a chance, it's/he's new and everybody is learning. There are alternative views available!!

We know how Brexit is going to be, an absolute disaster for everyone. When the UK finally introduces import controls, we're going to be fighting over the last bit of parmesan in Sainsburys. At the moment, Brexit is only hammering exporters, which regular people don't really do. But when the tories are forced to finally implement brexit properly, in Jan 2022, we will all feel it. The SNP aren't planning a referendum until at least summer 2022 anyway so you will have your wish regardless.

[Returnofrros]

It's all relative, I could get pished on a fiver when I started my first job in 1989 on 10k a year. I'm surprised someone so in love with Sweden is so aghast at the thought of higher taxation?

How does New Zealand manage to not have super-high taxes, genuinely interested in your thinking there.

As i said mad feminist socialist state.....but do pandemics well.😎

Income tax dosent really effect me, I pay less than £400 a year....if they want to make that £450 it doesnae really matter.

I just think people shud keep as much as possible of what they earn.

Don't know much about Nz....sorry.

[The AuldYin]

Scotland doesn't have any debt, it all belongs to the UK. If England wanted to retain the rights as a successor state, then it keeps the so-called debt. Otherwise England can also get its independence from the UK and we can split everything evenly. And the UK doesn't borrow money, it creates it. By the way, Faroe Islands managed to borrow a fair chunk just recently, wonder how they managed that. Maybe the Bank of England will give us a loan since a Scot created it.

So if me and the wife get a huge mortgage then get divorced we don't have to pay it? That's genius, we're going to try it. Can I tell the mortgage company you said it was OK?

[Returnofrros]

Did he win the award for comparing Blair to Churchill?
Oyf
Of course money is important, just depends on the spending of it and what's important. Health and education or defence.
Unless you also believe Kim Jong is targeting the v and a.

No it's the creation of it.....that's the hard bit....politicians spending other folks money is the easy bit.

[troodee1893]

Scotland doesn't have any debt, it all belongs to the UK. If England wanted to retain the rights as a successor state, then it keeps the so-called debt. Otherwise England can also get its independence from the UK and we can split everything evenly. And the UK doesn't borrow money, it creates it. By the way, Faroe Islands managed to borrow a fair chunk just recently, wonder how they managed that. Maybe the Bank of England will give us a loan since a Scot created it.

For goodness sake man even the hierarchy of the SNP don't believe that. You obviously never studied economics and of course the UK has and still is borrowing money on the world money markets. I don't know what the point of who formed the Bank of England (actually it was Charles Montagu, the 1st Earl of Halifax although it was based on an idea by William Paterson a scot who did not act on his own idea). And if we want to be pedantic about things the first scottish bank The Bank of Scotland was founded largely by an englishman with mostly english capital.

[BCram]

We know how Brexit is going to be, an absolute disaster for everyone. When the UK finally introduces import controls, we're going to be fighting over the last bit of parmesan in Sainsburys. At the moment, Brexit is only hammering exporters, which regular people don't really do. But when the tories are forced to finally implement brexit properly, in Jan 2022, we will all feel it. The SNP aren't planning a referendum until at least summer 2022 anyway so you will have your wish regardless.

I had thought that Brexit would take much longer to fully bed down. How does trying to jump back into Europe help all the exports that Scotland makes to England?

[Taintedice]

Go to bet 365, drop down box on left, politics, UK......easy to find.....maybe not that interested though.

Strange they don't have Scottish elections.

Bookies wouldn't really be giving out long odds 3 years in advance, would they. Labour are miles behind in the polls right now, that's what people need to focus on.

[Returnofrros]

Bookies wouldn't really be giving out long odds 3 years in advance, would they. Labour are miles behind in the polls right now, that's what people need to focus on.

3/1.....bookies book always usually between 105-108%......there odds have to balance no matter how far out it is.

Labour 3/1.....for a majority.....but there's always a mug.....that's ridiculously short.

I'd have hung slight odds on, torys around 7/5.....Labour more like 5s or 11/2

[Returnofrros]

Labour 3/1

[Taintedice]

For goodness sake man even the hierarchy of the SNP don't believe that. You obviously never studied economics and of course the UK has and still is borrowing money on the world money markets. I don't know what the point of who formed the Bank of England (actually it was Charles Montagu, the 1st Earl of Halifax although it was based on an idea by William Paterson a scot who did not act on his own idea). And if we want to be pedantic about things the first scottish bank The Bank of Scotland was founded largely by an englishman with mostly english capital.

Believe what? I don't think I said anything controversial there. It's not like the Baltic States had to take on a portion of the Soviet debt when that union collapsed.

All the funding for the past year has came from the Bank of England, which is owned by the UK government. At least half the debt mountain is owned to the bank of england so it's not debt, it's just there so the government can pretend they don't have enough money for nurses and other public sector bodies. Sure the UK government 'borrows' from foreign investors, but it's not like a bank loan, the government will sell financial instruments at home and abroad. Do you think a foreign investor will accept their debt being transferred to Scotland? Just won't happen.