Scottish Government moving the goalposts

[BCram]

Everyone chose a different approach. The problem you are describing,where people worried about data abuse was pretty central to the argument for using the free system. It collected data in a way that was not centralised, retained a degree of anonymity,and not stored for any real length of time. The system Boris paid his mates for stores info for seven years I believe, and was to be stored without anonymity. The decision was a no brainer, give the contract to pals of the government. They did the same thing with PPE contracts, one company was given a contract for millions,despite having assets of around 15k.

I am surprised. I thought that the whole discussion was based on the exact opposite view. My apologies. I can see why the actual choice made looks silly. It is odd that all the local parliaments chose different systems.

[BCram]

I am surprised. I thought that the whole discussion was based on the exact opposite view. My apologies. I can see why the actual choice made looks silly. It is odd that all the local parliaments chose different systems.

Looked into it a bit more Apple and Google offered to add in the tracing system for nothing. It would be part of their systems and as you say not centralised but it seemed to be something to worry about. Article I read seemed to think that the bluetooth option that was preferred was hopeless right from the start and Serco who were supposed to be the main operator got a shedload of money then failed to deliver. It seemed that big bad american tach companies were not to be trusted and nice friendly British politicians were a much better bet. As Rross has been suggesting for some time controll seems to be the name of the game.

how you get people to trust politicians when politicians don't trust their electorate seems to be an insurmpountable problem for us.

[islaydarkblue]

Looked into it a bit more Apple and Google offered to add in the tracing system for nothing. It would be part of their systems and as you say not centralised but it seemed to be something to worry about. Article I read seemed to think that the bluetooth option that was preferred was hopeless right from the start and Serco who were supposed to be the main operator got a shedload of money then failed to deliver. It seemed that big bad american tach companies were not to be trusted and nice friendly British politicians were a much better bet. As Rross has been suggesting for some time controll seems to be the name of the game.

how you get people to trust politicians when politicians don't trust their electorate seems to be an insurmpountable problem for us.

The main problem with the Test and Trace scheme is that each country in the U.K. wanted their own Test and Trace scheme which was not compatible with other parts of the U.K.
The NHS Scotland test and trace scheme does not work in the North of England whilst the NHS England test and taste scheme does not work in Scotland. Devolution may in some people’s eyes be wonderful but when we need a reliable Test and Trace scheme we need a ‘one size fits all’ scheme no matter how unpalatable that might be to the SNP controlled Scottish Government where Health is one of their devolved matters.

[Taintedice]

The main problem with the Test and Trace scheme is that each country in the U.K. wanted their own Test and Trace scheme which was not compatible with other parts of the U.K.
The NHS Scotland test and trace scheme does not work in the North of England whilst the NHS England test and taste scheme does not work in Scotland. Devolution may in some people’s eyes be wonderful but when we need a reliable Test and Trace scheme we need a ‘one size fits all’ scheme no matter how unpalatable that might be to the SNP controlled Scottish Government where Health is one of their devolved matters.

You're once again putting everything through the prism of devolution and why we should all just be one happy tra la la la alice in wonderland united kingdom. The various apps in use across the British Isles have probably tracked about 1% of cases, the actual track and trace was being done by people making phone calls from their bedrooms, since home working was the rage. Now, I've worked from home a bit and discipline can easily go if you're not being monitored, although not a problem for me as my work ethic is so strong but if you have hundreds of people working for home on low wages, how motivated are they going to be to keep making phone calls. You need to drop this stuff about the app, how many people actually downloaded one, when they were only compatible with the latest generations of Android and Apple anyway.

And I'll remind you again, the Scottish NHS is not devolved, it was never part of the UK.

[islaydarkblue]

You're once again putting everything through the prism of devolution and why we should all just be one happy tra la la la alice in wonderland united kingdom. The various apps in use across the British Isles have probably tracked about 1% of cases, the actual track and trace was being done by people making phone calls from their bedrooms, since home working was the rage. Now, I've worked from home a bit and discipline can easily go if you're not being monitored, although not a problem for me as my work ethic is so strong but if you have hundreds of people working for home on low wages, how motivated are they going to be to keep making phone calls. You need to drop this stuff about the app, how many people actually downloaded one, when they were only compatible with the latest generations of Android and Apple anyway.

And I'll remind you again, the Scottish NHS is not devolved, it was never part of the UK.

I have previously posted this information on Dundee Mad but I will try again.
Last October a friend of mine who lives on Islay had to travel to Liverpool for a family funeral. Prior to leaving Islay he downloaded the NHS Scotland Test and Trace app. He stopped at a service station on the M6 for a meal en route to Liverpool and tried to use his NHS Scotland Test and Trace app at the motorway service station. It did not work as it can only be used in Scotland. My friend had to write his contact details on a piece of paper and hand it to the manager of the restaurant. So much for modern technology. There is no substitute for the old fashioned method - pen and paper!

[Taintedice]

I have previously posted this information on Dundee Mad but I will try again.
Last October a friend of mine who lives on Islay had to travel to Liverpool for a family funeral. Prior to leaving Islay he downloaded the NHS Scotland Test and Trace app. He stopped at a service station on the M6 for a meal en route to Liverpool and tried to use his NHS Scotland Test and Trace app at the motorway service station. It did not work as it can only be used in Scotland. My friend had to write his contact details on a piece of paper and hand it to the manager of the restaurant. So much for modern technology. There is no substitute for the old fashioned method - pen and paper!

I hate to keep nipping at you but honestly nothing of that is remotely how the app works. Every hospitality venue was expected to keep a record of visitors, some used pen and paper, some had QR codes which should have been mandatory imo. This was completely separate to the apps, which can function anywhere in the world because they are just apps. The problem is, the Scottish app wouldn't talk to the English app because they were different technologies. I wouldn't try to find the result of Dundee's game on an app which only covered the bundesliga, would I.

[islaydarkblue]

I hate to keep nipping at you but honestly nothing of that is remotely how the app works. Every hospitality venue was expected to keep a record of visitors, some used pen and paper, some had QR codes which should have been mandatory imo. This was completely separate to the apps, which can function anywhere in the world because they are just apps. The problem is, the Scottish app wouldn't talk to the English app because they were different technologies. I wouldn't try to find the result of Dundee's game on an app which only covered the bundesliga, would I.

You have previously posted about £37 billion being wasted on the Test and Trace scheme. Surely the politicians from each country that makes up the United Kingdom should have put their differences apart and worked to have a Test and Trace scheme which was compatible in every country. Nippy is invited to attend the U.K. government Cobra meetings.
I know about the hospitality industry having use pen and paper to take details of their customers but again sadly there is no laid down set of rules. I have had to give our details to several hospitality venues throughout Scotland.
At the first one on Islay I had to write my name, address, phone number and email address on a sheet of paper which was attaché to a clip board which was hanging up beside the main counter in the cafe. There were other customers contacts details including phone numbers and email address also written on the same sheet of paper in full view of everyone. I expressed my concerns to the owner and told him that my contact details should placed in a secure container and not be displayed in public view. Someone could take a photograph of these contacts details using a iPhone The owner told me that he had no concerns about his customers personal contact details being on display for anyone to read. I phoned Police Scotland to advise them of my concerns. I will not set foot in that cafe on Islay ever again.
We stopped at a well known cafe in Tyndrum where I wrote down my contact details on a piece of paper which I pushed through a slit into a secure box. This time I was only asked for my name, address and contact phone number.
We had a evening meal in a well known restaurant in Broughty Ferry where we were only asked for our name and contact phone number.