Scottish Government moving the goalposts

[Deeranged]

This is an SNP election bribe. They will be using the furlough money they received from Westminster which up to last weekend has only been handed out to one third of the people and businesses throughout Scotland who were meant to receive it.

Please explain the benefit in bribing a small percentage of an electorate at the risk of hacking off a much larger percentage who will expect the same treatment.

[BCram]

Everyone chose a different approach. The problem you are describing,where people worried about data abuse was pretty central to the argument for using the free system. It collected data in a way that was not centralised, retained a degree of anonymity,and not stored for any real length of time. The system Boris paid his mates for stores info for seven years I believe, and was to be stored without anonymity. The decision was a no brainer, give the contract to pals of the government. They did the same thing with PPE contracts, one company was given a contract for millions,despite having assets of around 15k.

I am surprised. I thought that the whole discussion was based on the exact opposite view. My apologies. I can see why the actual choice made looks silly. It is odd that all the local parliaments chose different systems.

[troodee1893]

Seems that today's Covid figures are the highest for a month. As far as I can see over the next 4 to 5 weeks we are due some loosening of restrictions but will this now be allowed? When looking at the 0 to 4 scale (quite why we had to have a 0 to 4 scale compared with a 1 to 5 scale in England is beyond me apart from the likelihood that it petty politics from our 'esteemed' SNP rulers simply to be different) it worries me that we are only likely to go down to level 3 at the end of April. Level 3 has only minimal differences to level 4 and while the general rise in figures announced today may not stop relaxation the lunatic student parties that have put Dundee near the top of case numbers in Scotland surely might. I looked at the levels in general for the first time in months and was surprised/worried to see the level of restrictions remaining when we finally hopefully get down to level 0 (when?). My, wrong, interpretation of level zero was that we would be out of all restrictions by that time apart from some social distancing and mask wearing remnants. Looking at 0 level indoor socializing will still be limited to 8 people from 3 households (ironic when you consider the numbers said to have attended the student parties under level 4 restrictions) and Stadiums, whilst then being allowed to open, will still operate with greatly restricted numbers and there are further ongoing restrictions at this level. Restrictions such as these make a mockery of a system calling its lowest tier level zero. Most folk will likely think that means zero restrictions. If you haven't read the levels recently you should remind yourself, it makes interesting and worrying reading. Once again, I repeat from previous posts, I am rapidly coming round to the realization that it is going to be a hell of a long time before we get back to normal.

[Taintedice]

This is an SNP election bribe. They will be using the furlough money they received from Westminster which up to last weekend has only been handed out to one third of the people and businesses throughout Scotland who were meant to receive it.

I'll always remember that time I agreed with one of your posts as looks like it'll be the one and only. Furlough has absolutely nothing to do with the Scottish government, it is direct from UK to individual businesses. And election bribes are fairly common, so why not spend some of that additional income tax revenue on the NHS staff to make them look good. Are you against the pay rise?

[Returnofrros]

Seems that today's Covid figures are the highest for a month. As far as I can see over the next 4 to 5 weeks we are due some loosening of restrictions but will this now be allowed? When looking at the 0 to 4 scale (quite why we had to have a 0 to 4 scale compared with a 1 to 5 scale in England is beyond me apart from the likelihood that it petty politics from our 'esteemed' SNP rulers simply to be different) it worries me that we are only likely to go down to level 3 at the end of April. Level 3 has only minimal differences to level 4 and while the general rise in figures announced today may not stop relaxation the lunatic student parties that have put Dundee near the top of case numbers in Scotland surely might. I looked at the levels in general for the first time in months and was surprised/worried to see the level of restrictions remaining when we finally hopefully get down to level 0 (when?). My, wrong, interpretation of level zero was that we would be out of all restrictions by that time apart from some social distancing and mask wearing remnants. Looking at 0 level indoor socializing will still be limited to 8 people from 3 households (ironic when you consider the numbers said to have attended the student parties under level 4 restrictions) and Stadiums, whilst then being allowed to open, will still operate with greatly restricted numbers and there are further ongoing restrictions at this level. Restrictions such as these make a mockery of a system calling its lowest tier level zero. Most folk will likely think that means zero restrictions. If you haven't read the levels recently you should remind yourself, it makes interesting and worrying reading. Once again, I repeat from previous posts, I am rapidly coming round to the realization that it is going to be a hell of a long time before we get back to normal.

Welcome to the light.

We are never escaping tiers, levels, restrictions.

Liberty gets sneered at.....but it's everything as far as I'm concerned.

[Taintedice]

The levels are all under review, what is there now won't be for the long-term, free to try and find 15 friends to go for a drink with in July

[Returnofrros]

The levels are all under review, what is there now won't be for the long-term, free to try and find 15 friends to go for a drink with in July

What a ****ing nightmare that would be, friends should be like nuts anymore than two is pointless.

Aquaintances can be tolerated though.

[BCram]

I am surprised. I thought that the whole discussion was based on the exact opposite view. My apologies. I can see why the actual choice made looks silly. It is odd that all the local parliaments chose different systems.

Looked into it a bit more Apple and Google offered to add in the tracing system for nothing. It would be part of their systems and as you say not centralised but it seemed to be something to worry about. Article I read seemed to think that the bluetooth option that was preferred was hopeless right from the start and Serco who were supposed to be the main operator got a shedload of money then failed to deliver. It seemed that big bad american tach companies were not to be trusted and nice friendly British politicians were a much better bet. As Rross has been suggesting for some time controll seems to be the name of the game.

how you get people to trust politicians when politicians don't trust their electorate seems to be an insurmpountable problem for us.

[BCram]

COVID protection level 0

Mainland Scotland and some islands are in lockdown, with guidance to stay at home except for essential purposes. Some islands remain at Level 3.

Our timetable for easing restrictions sets out how and when we plan to lift the current coronavirus restrictions over the coming weeks and months.
Meeting others indoors (socialising)



You can meet people from outside your household indoors in your home or in someone else’s home or in a public place such as a bar, café or restaurant. The maximum number of people who can meet indoors is 8 which can be from up to 3 separate households.

Children under the age of 12 from these households do not count towards the total number of people permitted to gather indoors in a public place but do count towards the maximum of 2 households permitted to meet. For example a children’s party with 10 children from more than 2 separate households would not be allowable, but 6 adults and 4 children from 2 households could meet.

Children under 12 do not need to maintain physical distance from others indoors.

Where an individual household includes more than 8 people, they can nevertheless meet as a single household even if the total number of people exceeds 8.

You can go into another person’s house only for certain reasons, such as for essential work, to join your extended household or to provide care and support for a vulnerable person. This can include providing emotional support for someone whose wellbeing is at risk, including for those who are isolated because of disability or a caring situation or where they are a parent or carer of a child under one. Read Coronavirus (COVID-19): advice for unpaid carers.

When you meet people from another household indoors you should:

minimise the number of meetings you have with people from other households each day
stay at least 2 metres apart from anyone who is not part of your household, unless in a public venue that is operating 1 metre distancing with additional measures being in place to avoid transmission.
maintain hand and cough hygiene
avoid touching hard surfaces with your hands
wash your hands when you arrive, when you leave, when you get home and especially before eating or after touching surfaces
not share food or utensils – if eating, each household should bring, prepare and eat its own food separately
if possible, keep rooms well ventilated – consider opening windows or a door

Those at a higher risk of severe illness from coronavirus (including those who had been shielding, people 70 and over, people who are pregnant and people with an underlying medical condition) should strictly follow the physical distancing guidance.

This is the actual advice for Level 0 in Scotland. I didn't believe it when I read it. It isn't a lockdown but in what world do our politicians and scientists exist if they think this is acceptable.

They will have to think again. I am joining Rross! I thought he was simply over reacting to the situation and that there would be a return to near normality. I was wrong - this is rubbish and there should be pressure to find a better way forward.

[Returnofrros]

COVID protection level 0

Mainland Scotland and some islands are in lockdown, with guidance to stay at home except for essential purposes. Some islands remain at Level 3.

Our timetable for easing restrictions sets out how and when we plan to lift the current coronavirus restrictions over the coming weeks and months.
Meeting others indoors (socialising)



You can meet people from outside your household indoors in your home or in someone else’s home or in a public place such as a bar, café or restaurant. The maximum number of people who can meet indoors is 8 which can be from up to 3 separate households.

Children under the age of 12 from these households do not count towards the total number of people permitted to gather indoors in a public place but do count towards the maximum of 2 households permitted to meet. For example a children’s party with 10 children from more than 2 separate households would not be allowable, but 6 adults and 4 children from 2 households could meet.

Children under 12 do not need to maintain physical distance from others indoors.

Where an individual household includes more than 8 people, they can nevertheless meet as a single household even if the total number of people exceeds 8.

You can go into another person’s house only for certain reasons, such as for essential work, to join your extended household or to provide care and support for a vulnerable person. This can include providing emotional support for someone whose wellbeing is at risk, including for those who are isolated because of disability or a caring situation or where they are a parent or carer of a child under one. Read Coronavirus (COVID-19): advice for unpaid carers.

When you meet people from another household indoors you should:

minimise the number of meetings you have with people from other households each day
stay at least 2 metres apart from anyone who is not part of your household, unless in a public venue that is operating 1 metre distancing with additional measures being in place to avoid transmission.
maintain hand and cough hygiene
avoid touching hard surfaces with your hands
wash your hands when you arrive, when you leave, when you get home and especially before eating or after touching surfaces
not share food or utensils – if eating, each household should bring, prepare and eat its own food separately
if possible, keep rooms well ventilated – consider opening windows or a door

Those at a higher risk of severe illness from coronavirus (including those who had been shielding, people 70 and over, people who are pregnant and people with an underlying medical condition) should strictly follow the physical distancing guidance.

This is the actual advice for Level 0 in Scotland. I didn't believe it when I read it. It isn't a lockdown but in what world do our politicians and scientists exist if they think this is acceptable.

They will have to think again. I am joining Rross! I thought he was simply over reacting to the situation and that there would be a return to near normality. I was wrong - this is rubbish and there should be pressure to find a better way forward.

Hallelujah.

It's been a long road but I'm delighted two people (yourself and trodee) who can post so eloquently are climbing aboard.

And it ain't anti sturgeon, down south almost as bad but not quite.

They are tryinging to control people's lives in the medium to long term....if say it's happening but it's actually happened.

Watch Charles walker pint of milk video.....daft.....but hits the mark.