Burchnall out

[laddo]

Of course performances need to vastly improve, let's be honest we've been looking for an improvement in performances for the last few months. It's an awful time to come into a new club but he rightly accepted the job, but he needs time.

You can't even contemplate judging a manager who has been at the club 6 days. That's six! You can count the number of games of two fingers, the number of training sessions comfortably on one hand.

I assumed this thread was just a tongue in cheek predictive post from Jonnyt, but people appear to be taking it serious.

This must be a world record even for NCM if true, under a week and there is talk of possible turning on the manager. If people are being serious we don't deserve to turn our fortunes around#vivaNCM

[ALBOWLLY]

Two matches! The man's had two matches. I'm always wary when a new manager starts like a house on fire. I'd rather he oversaw a long winning run thirty matches into the job than as soon as he arrives. I'm optimistic about what Burchnall will do at Meadow Lane.

[queenslandpie]

More likely no confidence in the over complicated tactics

What is over complicated in passing it back and forwards 6 or 7 times hoofing it forwards and losing posession wash rinse repeat?!!!

[MAD_MAGPIE]

I think the owners crunched the numbers, concluded that our erratic form was not going to get us promoted and decided to start preparing for next season. Burchnall was who they saw (rightly or wrongly) as the man to bring success in the long term so they grabbed him while he was available.

Yes I'd agree with this. If fans look at Ncfcog's stats and charts they show that we have effectively been punching above our weight recently in terms of points gained over expected points based on our recent performances. This is where the phrase 'papering over the cracks' has been mentioned by people on here a lot recently. It's clear that you can only ride your luck for so long and it's unsustainable. This is where stats assist in that it is an alarm bell emphasising somethings missing.

Many people would have been able to see that in recent games under Neal Ardley we were getting by on individual moments of brilliance. It can be argued with hindsight with what we have seen in the past two games that what it did show is that Neal Ardley was getting the best he could from a squad low on confidence particularly in the 2-2 draw's with Boring Wood and Yeovil and dare I say the 1-0 win over Wealdstone.

In his last interview Neal Ardley mentioned about he's never had to work so hard on the touchline and having to drive people on. The manager or coaches should not be having to do that. The players have to take responsibility for setting high standards and their own performances regardless of who is in the dugout because that is one of the key principles of being a professional player.

It doesn't help that we have got wave after wave of games because it's the last thing you need when things are not going well. However what it is doing is giving the new coaches real time lessons in what this squad can and cannot do on a matchday at this point in time which they wouldn't get on the training ground alone.

Someone on here also made a very good and interesting point that with no fans in the stadiums bringing new coaches now means it's also giving them an environment of space and time to settle in that they would not have had typically.

If the performances were there but we were not picking up points then it would be an entire different landscape and would mean that we would need to keep doing what we were doing and the results would come. But it's not so the tanker of Notts County needs turning around which could take some time.

[ncfcog]

Yes I'd agree with this. If fans look at Ncfcog's stats and charts they show that we have effectively been punching above our weight recently in terms of points gained over expected points based on our recent performances. This is where the phrase 'papering over the cracks' has been mentioned by people on here a lot recently. It's clear that you can only ride your luck for so long and it's unsustainable. This is where stats assist in that it is an alarm bell emphasising somethings missing.

Many people would have been able to see that in recent games under Neal Ardley we were getting by on individual moments of brilliance. It can be argued with hindsight with what we have seen in the past two games that what it did show is that Neal Ardley was getting the best he could from a squad low on confidence particularly in the 2-2 draw's with Boring Wood and Yeovil and dare I say the 1-0 win over Wealdstone.

In his last interview Neal Ardley mentioned about he's never had to work so hard on the touchline and having to drive people on. The manager or coaches should not be having to do that. The players have to take responsibility for setting high standards and their own performances regardless of who is in the dugout because that is one of the key principles of being a professional player.

It doesn't help that we have got wave after wave of games because it's the last thing you need when things are not going well. However what it is doing is giving the new coaches real time lessons in what this squad can and cannot do on a matchday at this point in time which they wouldn't get on the training ground alone.

Someone on here also made a very good and interesting point that with no fans in the stadiums bringing new coaches now means it's also giving them an environment of space and time to settle in that they would not have had typically.

If the performances were there but we were not picking up points then it would be an entire different landscape and would mean that we would need to keep doing what we were doing and the results would come. But it's not so the tanker of Notts County needs turning around which could take some time.

Dead right about that last interview, it got me worried for sure and I think NA was feeling a bit defeated . . . I'm glad for his sake they let him go, he needs to recharge and go again with a fresh challenge. As for the players, they need to take a long hard look at themselves. The arguing on the pitch last night was not what we need to see and i think Enzio's face when he got subbed said it all.

[Elite_Pie]

It's an awful time to come into a new club but he rightly accepted the job, but he needs time.

How is it "an awful time to come into a new club"? Most new managers coming in have to perform a rescue act, this bloke came to a club one game away from a Wembley final and in the playoff places with games in hand. I'd say it was a brilliant time to come.

[laddo]

How is it "an awful time to come into a new club"? Most new managers coming in have to perform a rescue act, this bloke came to a club one game away from a Wembley final and in the playoff places with games in hand. I'd say it was a brilliant time to come.

Well that's one side of the coin well covered, we are indeed in a playoff spot and should be at Wembley.

However it's awful in terms of :

The crazy number of games!
The very limited time on the training ground between a game every 3/4 days.
The poor performances and the clear lack of confidence that doesn't belie our league position.

Elite you've said yourself on many occasions the perfomances haven't warranted the points return and thus haven't warranted the current league position have you not? You can't change your tune just cos NA has gone and a new man is in. We were/are in a false performance based on actual perfomances you've seen right?

If you are a new manager at any club you need time on the training ground to slowly change things that clearly aren't working, you need time to coach the players and implement your approach to the game, your philosophy etc. It's not an overnight fix.

Watching (lots of) games yourself is great for seeing what's good and what's bad but doesn't allow you to change anything just highlights what needs changing.

Once again Sir, try more balance less bias.

[Elite_Pie]

Well that's one side of the coin well covered, we are indeed in a playoff spot and should be at Wembley.

However it's awful in terms of :

The crazy number of games!
The very limited time on the training ground between a game every 3/4 days.
The poor performances and the clear lack of confidence that doesn't belie our league position.

The first two apply to every club, and the saying that springs to mind is 'when the going gets tough, the tough get going'.

All of this needing time to slowly change things must mean the 'new manager bounce' never happens.

It happens a lot, but very rarely to us. I think most managers would have bitten your hand off to come into the situation Burchnall did.

[laddo]

But it only applies to clubs who have appointed fresh new managers through the door in recent weeks. A manager who has been in place since the first game of the season has already had more than enough training sessions under their belt and know the players inside out.

Big difference.

Agree we rarely benefit from the infamous new manager bounce and yes it's not all bad. Burchnall has bitten the hand off, and he answered in his interviews the good and the bad of the current situation, hectic schedule and league position etc.

Looks like you missed my questions which isn't like you at all lol.

Let's try again....

Now back to my question "We were/are in a false performance based on actual perfomances you've seen right?"

We haven't warranted our position in the league this season have we?

[Elite_Pie]

But it only applies to clubs who have appointed fresh new managers through the door in recent weeks. A manager who has been in place since the first game of the season has already had more than enough training sessions under their belt and know the players inside out.

Big difference.

Agree we rarely benefit from the infamous new manager bounce and yes it's not all bad. Burchnall has bitten the hand off, and he answered in his interviews the good and the bad of the current situation, hectic schedule and league position etc.

Looks like you missed my questions which isn't like you at all lol.

Let's try again....

Now back to my question "We were/are in a false performance based on actual perfomances you've seen right?"

We haven't warranted our position in the league this season have we?

I've said many times that we have more points than our performances deserved. We can't blame bad luck, just poor performances. What bothers me most is that we seem to be adopting an 'excuse culture' both at the club and on here. First it was that Ardley had no chance of saving us from relegation because of Hardy, then it was Ardley had no chance of promotion because of the pre-season turmoil, this time it's ranged from the grass being too long, Covid, through to players being too nervous, players being too pumped up etc. There always seems to be an excuse why we are so cr@p. Sticking with a manager sounds good, but only if he's a good one. A four year plan sounds good, but only if it works. We all know what happened to the "Championship in five years" plan! This isn't a call to sack the manager or judge him after two games, it's more a plea for everyone to get off their arses and do their jobs, then the opposing manager will be the one who has to make excuses.