Great post, someone to stand up to me at last. Maybe not so much Blair, he understood economics, the others hated the rich and not so rich. Socialism is about hate, if your not socialist. Brown was a racist, against the English.

Blair understood, something so simple, that the country has to make a profit to live, to pay the bills. Unusual for Labour. Socialism hates business, even though it is the life blood of everything. Its not multi nationals that keep this country going, a target for the reds, but small businesses, i pay income tax twice.

Thatcher, applying common understood that industries like steel and mining and whatever,,,

HAS TO MAKE A PROFIT.

You cant pay people to produce stuff that cant be sold, this is the economics of crass stupidity. Ts communities are lost, its cant be avoided, but is actually required. Everything changes in time, or die. Would labour pay miners to produce coal that backs up, and cant be sold? Of course not. Or steel. But backs violence against such things. Explain that.

Its a like one species becoming extinct because it doesnt work anymore, and cant survive.

Its a universal law, its not politics.

But there you are Griff, saying it is some sort of crime, i can only put that down to brainwashing and hatred. Thatcher was a bally hero. France has yet to have that revolution, from the dead hand of socialism.

The country is now moving on from coal, steel, etc into high tech, and making big money. The north has to develop, because it has no choice, the safe black faces of the past has gone.

The new species has to adapt from a horned bill, to a bow and arrow. Not a good analogy, but there you go. Even that will go in time, something else will be more important, and we will have to change again. Cambridge is full of high tech companies, god knows what goes on in those places, i think theres more than a bunsun burner and a man in a white coat.

Your are correct in my view of socialism, its only use is to high light the correct way to go. Hate is a strong word, despicable is better, after all, adults, and the strength to face reality, is not a socialist trait.

To try and distill this argument, please point out the wrongness of shutting down the coal mines and steel. Please.

Oh, and the fact that people have to work to make a PROFIT so we can all prosper.

I LOVE MAGGIE.