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[eric_sinclair]

We haven't.

Scotland is empty and still we have the highest cases, still we have the least vaccinated, still we have the most restrictions.

Going by number of deaths by population we have.

[Taintedice]

England had 1500 deaths a day in the first weeks of January as Johnson told everyone to travel and mix freely at Christmas. Nicola Sturgeon made it clear do not mix and Scotland avoided those deaths. Never vote tory.

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You don’t believe he was ill?

FFS, that’s some NHS cover up.

Take the hate filled blinkers off.

Below from The Guardian published 17th April 2020 - seems pretty damning. As I read it yes he had Covid, but he didn't have bad enough symptoms to warrant admission to ICU. It also looks like the sleazy Tory scumbags conspired to lie to the press and of course the public. Still, I suppose we've come to expect that from them so no shocker there.


''One source inside the hospital said Johnson was “very sick” when taken into ICU. “It was touch and go whether he would be put on a ventilator,” the source said.

The same source, however, wonders whether the prime minister really should have been in intensive care.

About 130 other patients were in critical care at the time, the vast majority hooked up to ventilators. At no point was Johnson on a ventilator. Nor did he receive Cpap, a less invasive form of treatment.

The source said: “Before the coronavirus crisis you could be in ICU without being on a ventilator but pretty much every bed is now taken by a coronavirus patient with a ventilator. I know people who work in ICU and I know the technicians who prepare all the equipment and they all say he was not put on a ventilator. He was taking up an ICU bed when he didn’t need it. The idea that you would put a patient who didn’t need a ventilator on an ICU bed is nonsense.”

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So the question is

Why was the PM admitted to an NHS run ICU, which was seemingly 'overrun', at the time when his treatment could have been administered in a regular ward or possibly even at home?

I think the answer is propaganda -

'how do you get get an incompetent PM to u-turn on some of his blurted out and ill conceived comments and at the same time time scare the gullible into thinking this pandemic is a bigger issue than it really is Matt'?

'I know Dom, let's pretend Boris has Covid so bad that he needs admitted to ICU. The mugs will have visions of him in an induced coma and on a ventilator like the genuine patients so will take pity on him when in reality he'll be sitting in that bed reading whilst others die around him. We can then paint him as a stoic advocate of all the restrictions we want to impose on people and can claim he knows how bad it can be because he's been there'.

'Brilliant Matt, and down the line when asked about it we'll just lie because at least that's something we can do well'.

'Excellent Dom, just you go and self isolate up in Durham for now, I'll take care of it'.

'Great idea Matt, I have a castle on my to visit list, I'll get a trip there while I'm away'.

[jdfc]

Below from The Guardian published 17th April 2020 - seems pretty damning. As I read it yes he had Covid, but he didn't have bad enough symptoms to warrant admission to ICU. It also looks like the sleazy Tory scumbags conspired to lie to the press and of course the public. Still, I suppose we've come to expect that from them so no shocker there.


''One source inside the hospital said Johnson was “very sick” when taken into ICU. “It was touch and go whether he would be put on a ventilator,” the source said.

The same source, however, wonders whether the prime minister really should have been in intensive care.

About 130 other patients were in critical care at the time, the vast majority hooked up to ventilators. At no point was Johnson on a ventilator. Nor did he receive Cpap, a less invasive form of treatment.

The source said: “Before the coronavirus crisis you could be in ICU without being on a ventilator but pretty much every bed is now taken by a coronavirus patient with a ventilator. I know people who work in ICU and I know the technicians who prepare all the equipment and they all say he was not put on a ventilator. He was taking up an ICU bed when he didn’t need it. The idea that you would put a patient who didn’t need a ventilator on an ICU bed is nonsense.”

The clue is at the start, “The Gaurdian”

[jdfc]

So the question is

Why was the PM admitted to an NHS run ICU, which was seemingly 'overrun', at the time when his treatment could have been administered in a regular ward or possibly even at home?

I think the answer is propaganda -

'how do you get get an incompetent PM to u-turn on some of his blurted out and ill conceived comments and at the same time time scare the gullible into thinking this pandemic is a bigger issue than it really is Matt'?

'I know Dom, let's pretend Boris has Covid so bad that he needs admitted to ICU. The mugs will have visions of him in an induced coma and on a ventilator like the genuine patients so will take pity on him when in reality he'll be sitting in that bed reading whilst others die around him. We can then paint him as a stoic advocate of all the restrictions we want to impose on people and can claim he knows how bad it can be because he's been there'.

'Brilliant Matt, and down the line when asked about it we'll just lie because at least that's something we can do well'.

'Excellent Dom, just you go and self isolate up in Durham for now, I'll take care of it'.

'Great idea Matt, I have a castle on my to visit list, I'll get a trip there while I'm away'.

Put him in a normal ward ? and help spread it, good thinking

When he was admitted it was a time when we didn’t know where this was going, we were watching horror stories from Italy, they obviously took precautions, but for people to claim he wasn’t ill, they’ll be claiming mans never been to the moon next

[eric_sinclair]

Put him in a normal ward ? and help spread it, good thinking

When he was admitted it was a time when we didn’t know where this was going, we were watching horror stories from Italy, they obviously took precautions, but for people to claim he wasn’t ill, they’ll be claiming mans never been to the moon next

He was admitted start of April if my memory is tight, we were already in lockdown It wasn't really my issue on his illness, I just found it hard to believe that altho Dominic raab was deputising Boris was still calling the shots.As tories go, I actually prefer Boris to Cameron and may, cud never vote for them tho. 😉

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Put him in a normal ward ? and help spread it, good thinking

When he was admitted it was a time when we didn’t know where this was going, we were watching horror stories from Italy, they obviously took precautions, but for people to claim he wasn’t ill, they’ll be claiming mans never been to the moon next

J the whole NHS was shut down at that point, no cancer treatments, no elective ops, emergency only and elderly Covid 19 infected patients (the ones most likely to die of its effects) decanted to care homes where they could pass it on to other highly vulnerable residents. Every bed in every hospital in every country of the UK was given over to treatment of Covid patients. We all know that the beds were lying empty whilst nurses, doctors, radiographers surgeons etc. did Tik Tok videos, cancer patients got worse or even died and people already struggling with their mental health committed suicide so for me yes, 100% he could have been in one of those beds.

[grantzer]

J the whole NHS was shut down at that point, no cancer treatments, no elective ops, emergency only and elderly Covid 19 infected patients (the ones most likely to die of its effects) decanted to care homes where they could pass it on to other highly vulnerable residents. Every bed in every hospital in every country of the UK was given over to treatment of Covid patients. We all know that the beds were lying empty whilst nurses, doctors, radiographers surgeons etc. did Tik Tok videos, cancer patients got worse or even died and people already struggling with their mental health committed suicide so for me yes, 100% he could have been in one of those beds.

That is about 90% not true. The NHS was still accepting patients for non coronavirus conditions,the stats tell us suicide rates did not go up, and the number of tik told was not that high. Every bed was not given over to covid,and only elderly patients who were due to be released were put back into care homes.( Not that that makes it right).

That Boris had covid is not really up for debate, too many people involved for that to be false,someone would have talked,the severity of his condition could be questioned tho. But given he is prime minister,you have to expect they will take no chances and as long as no-one was kicked out,or kept out of ICU for him,I can't see a problem there.

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That is about 90% not true.

Well that depends very much on who you want to believe.

I know several people who work at Ninewells and who have told me directly that there was very little happening outside of Covid and immediate intervention / emergency medicine.

Bit of an assumption on my part as regards suicides admittedly, however if support is withdrawn from vulnerable people, as it was, it's likely to result in increased incidences of self harm and / or suicide surely? Maybe death by self harm, where the person tested positive for Covid - 19 in the preceding 28 days is a Covid death rather than a suicide?