O/T. The Government's handling of Covid

[Trickytreesreds]

I must admit, I've had a good chuckle at this one. For a moment I wasn't sure of it was Cummings, or Prince Harry crying and moaning lol

Compulsive liar? Maybe.
Does most folk care? I doubt it.

The **** was pushed out his job and is on a squealing for attention rant.
It really is funny, from a man who thought he was untouchable.
The other thing that entertained me, has been the lefts change in tack. He was the spawn of Satan, the man who was in Downing street without a vote. Now he's Jesus Christ

Meanwhile, Starmers Labour has crashed to 18 points behind the Conservatives.
I've said it before and I'll say it again. UK politics is absolute crap and whatever anyone thinks of Johnson, the public still thinks he's the best we've got.
Says it all really.

[ramAnag]

I must admit, I've had a good chuckle at this one. For a moment I wasn't sure of it was Cummings, or Prince Harry crying and moaning lol

Compulsive liar? Maybe.
Does most folk care? I doubt it.

The **** was pushed out his job and is on a squealing for attention rant.
It really is funny, from a man who thought he was untouchable.
The other thing that entertained me, has been the lefts change in tack. He was the spawn of Satan, the man who was in Downing street without a vote. Now he's Jesus Christ

Hmmm...care to elaborate on how you’ve reached that conclusion? I haven’t heard anyone on the ‘Left’ being supportive of him...taking notice of someone who was part of the pandemic decision making process is a very different thing.

Don’t remember you being so critical of the ‘compulsive liar/ squealing ****’ when he was masterminding Brexit for you Tricky.

[Trickytreesreds]

Hmmm...care to elaborate on how you’ve reached that conclusion? I haven’t heard anyone on the ‘Left’ being supportive of him...taking notice of someone who was part of the pandemic decision making process is a very different thing.

Don’t remember you being so critical of the ‘compulsive liar/ squealing ****’ when he was masterminding Brexit for you Tricky.

I think you need to read more.
Try reading all the papers and social media.
Nandy got a mauling after her BBC interview. Where as last year she didn't believe a word he said. Now he has to be taken seriously?

Name me once where I have supported Cummings. He was an empoyee. You yourself, often moaned about an unelected man being in such a position.
As for Brexit, who cared who pushed it through?
The number of politicians elected by the public, who chose to not push through Brexit, against voters wishes would have hidden any of Cummings failings.
But perhaps going against democracy sat ok with you?

Cummings got the push. He's bitter and lashing out. No doubt lying through his teeth. But I'll have money with you. No one will care enough to oust Johnson.
If Sturgeon can survive her shananigans, anyone can

[ramAnag]

I think you need to read more.
Try reading all the papers and social media.
Nandy got a mauling after her BBC interview. Where as last year she didn't believe a word he said. Now he has to be taken seriously?

Name me once where I have supported Cummings. He was an empoyee. You yourself, often moaned about an unelected man being in such a position.
As for Brexit, who cared who pushed it through?
The number of politicians elected by the public, who chose to not push through Brexit, against voters wishes would have hidden any of Cummings failings.
But perhaps going against democracy sat ok with you?

Cummings got the push. He's bitter and lashing out. No doubt lying through his teeth. But I'll have money with you. No one will care enough to oust Johnson.
If Sturgeon can survive her shananigans, anyone can

Of course he has to be taken ‘seriously’. As do Johnson and Hancock when they make their responses. They were all at the centre of the ‘Government’s Handling of Covid’...they were all key ‘players’.

I haven’t said you ‘supported’ Cummings...fact is though, along with Farage, Cummings and Johnson were the architects of Brexit which you did support...you already describe Cummings as ‘no doubt lying through his teeth’ and Johnson has long been regarded as a disingenuous liar. You work out the implications.

Sturgeon is totally irrelevant to this particular business and just an example of you trying to deflect as usual, but surely even you should be concerned if ‘no one cares enough’ about such top down wrongdoing.

[Andy_Faber]

Credit to some reports from trusted media outlets over the period since DC took centre stage, there's been a surprising lack of extremist views in either direction in places I choose to get my News - 'Yes he's had his say, yes some of what he's said is shocking, but yes he's an unrelaible. biased and bitter witness'. Fairly balanced in my view

Key outcomes IMO

The Govt will not fall
The PM will not resign
No ministers will resign/be sacked
The inquiry will not be brought forward
DC will become an object of fun/hate with all but a vocal few

He really shouldn't have taken a pop at the scientists though

[ramAnag]

Sadly I suspect you are absolutely right regarding your ‘key outcomes’, Andy.

Leaves me wondering quite how bad/dishonest/corrupt things have to become before something changes.

Despite our occasional differences I’ve always, for what it’s worth, regarded you as a good and decent man...there’s an old saying along the lines of ‘all it takes for evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing’. Perhaps this is a case in point. Once we start closing our eyes to dishonesty and corruption amongst our ‘leaders’ and sacrificing integrity on the altar of expediency we really are on a dangerous slope to disaster.

[Andy_Faber]

Sadly I suspect you are absolutely right regarding your ‘key outcomes’, Andy.

Leaves me wondering quite how bad/dishonest/corrupt things have to become before something changes.

Despite our occasional differences I’ve always, for what it’s worth, regarded you as a good and decent man...there’s an old saying along the lines of ‘all it takes for evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing’. Perhaps this is a case in point. Once we start closing our eyes to dishonesty and corruption amongst our ‘leaders’ and sacrificing integrity on the altar of expediency we really are on a dangerous slope to disaster.

Just to be clear rA, I’m observing/predicting, not ‘hoping’ or gloating about it. Similarly, my comment yesterday about bj was really just saying ‘I’ll stick with the liar we’ve got because there’s currently no choice’. I’ll then take a view when there is a choice.

[Trickytreesreds]

Just to be clear rA, I’m observing/predicting, not ‘hoping’ or gloating about it. Similarly, my comment yesterday about bj was really just saying ‘I’ll stick with the liar we’ve got because there’s currently no choice’. I’ll then take a view when there is a choice.

That Andy, is exactly how I feel and trying to say.
I said how poor UK politics was and still is.
How bad must an opposition party have to be, to be behind by 18 points, with all the ammo supplied against the Tories?
That really is the gist of it. Starmer has failed miserably, to turn Labour around.
The left hate him. The average working class hate him.
So he's relevent to no one now. Corbyn had the left wing nuts in the back pocket, Starmer can't even do that.
So it comes right back to Johnson being a buffoon, yet can easily get away with it.

RA you hate the Tories and BJ. I understand, I really do. But please give me a credible alternative.

[ramAnag]

To again be clear, Tricky...I don’t ‘hate the Tories’. There are decent Tories...I don’t share most of their views but I understand there are some decent ‘one nation’ Tories. Unfortunately Johnson and his current ruling group aren’t amongst them and they represent the politics of greed, populism and division which I fundamentally disagree with.

Banging on about Corbyn and Starmer is largely irrelevant in this circumstance. The opposition may be fragmented and disorganised but it is nothing more than a ‘red herring’ as regards the Government’s Handling of Covid and Cummings’ allegations. The opposition has nothing to do with either of those things and has not been in power for eleven years.

Andy, ‘I’ll stick with the liar we’ve got because currently there’s no alternative’. Just not good enough. There’s always an alternative, it’s just that people such as yourself have to care enough to bring about a change which says that living with a proven and apparently habitual liar as leader of the country is not acceptable. It provides a terrible example to the rest of the country.

That’s not, btw, me calling for a General Election, but the Tory Party has to recognise the failings of the current leadership if it is to retain any credibility in terms of morality and integrity.

[Trickytreesreds]

Just done a yougov survey on Cummings and the gov.

77% Don't believe him
59% Think the government handled COVID well, with 26% think they've done very well
75% Think they'll handle another crisis better
64% Think no one will blame the government for deaths, that Cummings is claiming.

Now I know it's a survey(granted a good one). But I think it just reinforces what i said earlier.
The ones doing the worst moaning have an axe to grind, either personally or politically.

All that counts are the voters opinions. So sorry RA, I don't think the general public seems as outraged as you.
As for morality and integrity, please show me the leading light in those subjects.
I've yet to see one that passes that criteria.