Vaccine

[TipperaryBaggie]

I see that the Pfizer vaccine is being offered to everyone aged 18+ in Ward End Library Birmingham today. Let's hope that it gets a good response as the more people who are vaccinated means that we can get back to some sort of normality.

[bordering]

I see that the Pfizer vaccine is being offered to everyone aged 18+ in Ward End Library Birmingham today. Let's hope that it gets a good response as the more people who are vaccinated means that we can get back to some sort of normality.

no doubt you've done your own research

[TipperaryBaggie]

no doubt you've done your own research

I leave the research to the experts not people like me and you.

[mickd1961]

no doubt you've done your own research

Bordering on the ridiculous as per usual.

I presume there’s a tin foil shortage in your village!?

[Calgarybaggy]

My wife is a doctor and she says every medical procedure or treatment is a balance of the risks against the benefits. So everything from taking a headache pill to brain surgery is a balance of the risks versus the benefits. And if you think about it, even getting out of bed in the morning is a risk we take in anticipation of certain benefits. And what makes a doctor a doctor more than anything else is that they understand these medical risks and benefits much, much better than we ordinary mortals do because they are exhaustively trained in this risk-benefit analysis for very single treatment and procedure. There is also a risk in having a vaccine but if a doctor is telling you get a vaccine you should get that vaccine because you would not be told to take it if the benefits of taking it did not vastly outweigh the risks. Case in point: there is a fuss over blood clotting in women who took the astra zeneca vaccine. So they advised women between 12 and 50 to be careful. That is because women during their child bearing years are filled with estrogen which makes their blood more coagulable otherwise they would bleed to death every month. A very few women are extremely hypercoagulable and need to be careful when taking astra zeneca because it can affect blood coagulation and cause clots in hypercoagulable people. So women under 50 who take astra zeneca, have an 8 in 14 million chance of having a dangerous blood clot, but with proper observation the problem can be spotted quickly enough to be fixed. So they advise women of that age either not to take astra zeneca or to watch very carefully for any symptoms of blood clotting if they do take it, just in case they are one of the unfortunate few who are hypercoagulable. But guess what? Covid also affects blood coagulation and causing blood clots is one of the ways it can kill you. So if a hypercoagulable woman does not get vaccinated and gets covid, she has a 1 in 5 chance of dying from a blood clot. So even if you are one of the few hypercoagulable woman, what is more rational? To take a vaccine with a miniscule risk of blood clotting that can be controlled or get a verv widespread and highly communicable disease with an extremely high risk of blood clotting that often cannot be controlled? Men don't even have that risk at all because we don't need estrogen. So you can be irrational and avoid vaccines thereby exposing yourself and others unnecessarily to all sorts of nasty and risky diseases or you can be smart and get vaccinated. There is no medical reason for 99.9% of people not to get vaccinated and believe me, if there are medical reasons, your doctor will know because its what they do. And have you ever lived in a third world country where there are very few vaccines available? I have and it wasn't pretty. Is it doctors, and in particular, immunologists and epidemiologists who are publishing scare stories on Facebook about vaccines? Consider the source before you make a foolish decision about vaccines that puts yourself and others at a completely unnecessary risk. Don't be a selfish dummy - get the damn vaccine. The sooner we all get it, the sooner this nightmare will be behind us.

[bordering]

My wife is a doctor and she says every medical procedure or treatment is a balance of the risks against the benefits. So everything from taking a headache pill to brain surgery is a balance of the risks versus the benefits. And if you think about it, even getting out of bed in the morning is a risk we take in anticipation of certain benefits. And what makes a doctor a doctor more than anything else is that they understand these medical risks and benefits much, much better than we ordinary mortals do because they are exhaustively trained in this risk-benefit analysis for very single treatment and procedure. There is also a risk in having a vaccine but if a doctor is telling you get a vaccine you should get that vaccine because you would not be told to take it if the benefits of taking it did not vastly outweigh the risks. Case in point: there is a fuss over blood clotting in women who took the astra zeneca vaccine. So they advised women between 12 and 50 to be careful. That is because women during their child bearing years are filled with estrogen which makes their blood more coagulable otherwise they would bleed to death every month. A very few women are extremely hypercoagulable and need to be careful when taking astra zeneca because it can affect blood coagulation and cause clots in hypercoagulable people. So women under 50 who take astra zeneca, have an 8 in 14 million chance of having a dangerous blood clot, but with proper observation the problem can be spotted quickly enough to be fixed. So they advise women of that age either not to take astra zeneca or to watch very carefully for any symptoms of blood clotting if they do take it, just in case they are one of the unfortunate few who are hypercoagulable. But guess what? Covid also affects blood coagulation and causing blood clots is one of the ways it can kill you. So if a hypercoagulable woman does not get vaccinated and gets covid, she has a 1 in 5 chance of dying from a blood clot. So even if you are one of the few hypercoagulable woman, what is more rational? To take a vaccine with a miniscule risk of blood clotting that can be controlled or get a verv widespread and highly communicable disease with an extremely high risk of blood clotting that often cannot be controlled? Men don't even have that risk at all because we don't need estrogen. So you can be irrational and avoid vaccines thereby exposing yourself and others unnecessarily to all sorts of nasty and risky diseases or you can be smart and get vaccinated. There is no medical reason for 99.9% of people not to get vaccinated and believe me, if there are medical reasons, your doctor will know because its what they do. And have you ever lived in a third world country where there are very few vaccines available? I have and it wasn't pretty. Is it doctors, and in particular, immunologists and epidemiologists who are publishing scare stories on Facebook about vaccines? Consider the source before you make a foolish decision about vaccines that puts yourself and others at a completely unnecessary risk. Don't be a selfish dummy - get the damn vaccine. The sooner we all get it, the sooner this nightmare will be behind us.

Why - you've got the jab.... great you're immune so why worry about me?

[mickd1961]

Why - you've got the jab.... great you're immune so why worry about me?

Because people like you will still want treating if you catch Covid.

I’m all for you conspiracy theorists to refuse to take the vaccine but in doing so you should be left licking the windows down at your local A&E whilst gasping your final breaths.

Why should resources and the efforts of the NHS staff be wasted on people who think this is all a hoax?

[baggieal]

Because people like you will still want treating if you catch Covid.

I’m all for you conspiracy theorists to refuse to take the vaccine but in doing so you should be left licking the windows down at your local A&E whilst gasping your final breaths.

Why should resources and the efforts of the NHS staff be wasted on people who think this is all a hoax?

I think those who don’t want the vaccine have a perfect right for refusal. That said - they should pay their NHS bill if gasping for air - don’t visit a stadium or large gathering - don’t leave the country and don’t drink indoors of a pub!

They can’t have their cake and eat it!

[baggieal]

I think those who don’t want the vaccine have a perfect right for refusal. That said - they should pay their NHS bill if gasping for air - don’t visit a stadium or large gathering - don’t leave the country and don’t drink indoors in a pub!

They can’t have their cake and eat it!

PS - if they are young and looking for a shag they should wear a sign so any potential partner can decide whether she wants a risky ride!

[Calgarybaggy]

If you really need a list of reasons why I am worried about you, here is a start:

1. This is not necessarily about you and your personal risk but about those you may infect when, not if, you get it.
2. There are a lot of immuno-compromised people who cannot take the vaccine for whom Covid is a very real threat and you are unnecessarily putting them at risk
3. The doctors and nurses treating all these covid cases are exhausted and the fewer people who continue to get this disease the better it is for them because they badly need a break.
4. The only people in hospital right now with covid got it because they had not been vaccinated.
5. The hospitals need to get back to normal so that a lot of the postponed treatments and surgeries can take place but they can't if unvaccinated people keep getting it and are hospitalized.
6. Why would anyone rational deliberately take any of these risks when there are effective and safe vaccines now available?
7. So not getting vaccinated is pretty anti-social.
8. I actually take no delight in the thought of you or your loved ones dying an agonizing death gasping for air like like an un-clubbed fish in the bottom of fishing boat - my wife has seen people die from this and its a very horrible way to die
9. I want to go to football matches again and the longer it takes everyone to get vaccinated, the longer it will be before we can do that unhindered again.