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  1. #1
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    Quote Originally Posted by JUSTaway View Post
    Yes if we can keep siegrist, Edwards, Fuchs, shanks, and strengthen in certain Areas, some youngsters emerging to make impact, team could be ok next Season. If Courts appointed, Onus totally on ashgar to give him the tools. Recruitment Massive, nightmare scenario we loše some of these players, and recruit poor.
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    Look at 2015/16.

    Players that left:

    Keith Watson
    Calum Butcher
    Jarek Fojut
    Rado Cierzniak
    Nadir Ciftci

    Players we replaced them with at the start of the season:

    Zwick/Szromnik
    Donaldson
    Durnan
    Bill McKay
    Aaron Kuhl
    Darko Bodul

    There are more but I'm about being sick just typing those names.

    If the players that left all stayed, we would never have been relegated in 2016. We could have lost Nadir and still stayed up, but losing Butcher, Watson, Fojut and Rado were a nightmare for us. Then you have Paton, Dixon, Erskine all getting major injuries that ruled them out long terms at the start of the season and we were always right up against it.

    Benji, Edwards, Fuchs and Shanks are our most important players (by a country mile btw) so if any one of them leave, we CANNOT rely on anyone else at the club to replace them. We need to recruit players close to or above their level.

    As for the rest of the squad, I feel all other players who were in our 'best' 11 all have fairly able replacements already at the club. Full back for example, Freeman and Sporle aren't miles away from Smith and Robson.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BudMill90 View Post
    100%

    Look at 2015/16.

    Players that left:

    Keith Watson
    Calum Butcher
    Jarek Fojut
    Rado Cierzniak
    Nadir Ciftci

    Players we replaced them with at the start of the season:

    Zwick/Szromnik
    Donaldson
    Durnan
    Bill McKay
    Aaron Kuhl
    Darko Bodul

    There are more but I'm about being sick just typing those names.

    If the players that left all stayed, we would never have been relegated in 2016. We could have lost Nadir and still stayed up, but losing Butcher, Watson, Fojut and Rado were a nightmare for us. Then you have Paton, Dixon, Erskine all getting major injuries that ruled them out long terms at the start of the season and we were always right up against it.

    Benji, Edwards, Fuchs and Shanks are our most important players (by a country mile btw) so if any one of them leave, we CANNOT rely on anyone else at the club to replace them. We need to recruit players close to or above their level.

    As for the rest of the squad, I feel all other players who were in our 'best' 11 all have fairly able replacements already at the club. Full back for example, Freeman and Sporle aren't miles away from Smith and Robson.
    Losing a spine of the team either leaving in that summer or being out mainly due to injury was more of the downfall for our relegation than the SA/GMS saga imo. Losing those 2 were massive for that season but the following season we had the chance to move on from it. but by not replacing that spine meant the team was poor and had nothing about it to get itself out of the problem we were in. We resorted to chucking in youngsters who weren't ready or not good enough and signing loans/free agents to get us out of trouble

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    Micky Mellon wanted to go in a different direction to Dundee United strategy -

    I would like this explained to me.

    Which direction did Mellon want to go? (I don't mean England)

    Bring in some of his own players and faze in youth?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim_Jam View Post
    Micky Mellon wanted to go in a different direction to Dundee United strategy -

    I would like this explained to me.

    Which direction did Mellon want to go? (I don't mean England)

    Bring in some of his own players and faze in youth?
    He wanted the club to be renamed Tranmere Rovers and for it to relocated down to Merseyside

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim_Jam View Post
    Micky Mellon wanted to go in a different direction to Dundee United strategy -

    I would like this explained to me.

    Which direction did Mellon want to go? (I don't mean England)

    Bring in some of his own players and faze in youth?
    From what I've heard he wanted to mainly recruit players that were 28/29/30, experienced heads. Whereas the club felt we had enough of those around the squad now (which is correct) and look to focus on Fuchs/Shankland types of signings where we sign them at 23/24 and they have a potential sell-on value whilst improving the team and also keeping a pathway for the youngsters.

    Could all be sh1te, as there have been so many stories. But that was from an 'ITK'.

  6. #6
    Quote Originally Posted by BudMill90 View Post
    100%

    Look at 2015/16.

    Players that left:

    Keith Watson
    Calum Butcher
    Jarek Fojut
    Rado Cierzniak
    Nadir Ciftci

    Players we replaced them with at the start of the season:

    Zwick/Szromnik
    Donaldson
    Durnan
    Bill McKay
    Aaron Kuhl
    Darko Bodul

    There are more but I'm about being sick just typing those names.

    If the players that left all stayed, we would never have been relegated in 2016. We could have lost Nadir and still stayed up, but losing Butcher, Watson, Fojut and Rado were a nightmare for us. Then you have Paton, Dixon, Erskine all getting major injuries that ruled them out long terms at the start of the season and we were always right up against it.

    Benji, Edwards, Fuchs and Shanks are our most important players (by a country mile btw) so if any one of them leave, we CANNOT rely on anyone else at the club to replace them. We need to recruit players close to or above their level.

    As for the rest of the squad, I feel all other players who were in our 'best' 11 all have fairly able replacements already at the club. Full back for example, Freeman and Sporle aren't miles away from Smith and Robson.
    bang on, apart fae the last bit Robson is lowping and Sporle isnt looking like a defender at all

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    Quote Originally Posted by offshore_arab83 View Post
    bang on, apart fae the last bit Robson is lowping and Sporle isnt looking like a defender at all
    Yea mate in an ideal world we get a new left back who is above their level. Canna see it being a priority position though.

  8. #8
    Quote Originally Posted by BudMill90 View Post
    Yea mate in an ideal world we get a new left back who is above their level. Canna see it being a priority position though.
    nah i know mate, its a 'nice to have' we really need someone to create if shanks is staying eh

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    Quote Originally Posted by BudMill90 View Post
    100%

    Look at 2015/16.

    Players that left:

    Keith Watson
    Calum Butcher
    Jarek Fojut
    Rado Cierzniak
    Nadir Ciftci

    Players we replaced them with at the start of the season:

    Zwick/Szromnik
    Donaldson
    Durnan
    Bill McKay
    Aaron Kuhl
    Darko Bodul

    There are more but I'm about being sick just typing those names.

    If the players that left all stayed, we would never have been relegated in 2016. We could have lost Nadir and still stayed up, but losing Butcher, Watson, Fojut and Rado were a nightmare for us. Then you have Paton, Dixon, Erskine all getting major injuries that ruled them out long terms at the start of the season and we were always right up against it.

    Benji, Edwards, Fuchs and Shanks are our most important players (by a country mile btw) so if any one of them leave, we CANNOT rely on anyone else at the club to replace them. We need to recruit players close to or above their level.

    As for the rest of the squad, I feel all other players who were in our 'best' 11 all have fairly able replacements already at the club. Full back for example, Freeman and Sporle aren't miles away from Smith and Robson.
    The bottom line is - sell too many, too quickly, and replace them inadequately and you’re rubber ducked. We saw that in, as you say, 2015/16. In contrast the 2010 team wasn’t just suddenly ‘arrived’ at - it was built over a good 3-4 seasons.But we still sold - Barry Robson and Noel Hunt being the obvious two off the top off my head. But the difference was that the ‘replacements’ for these players were already at the Club and the sales were genuinely part of a long term strategy with the interests of the first team front and centre in the selling policy.

    That’s what the Snake forgot to our eternal detriment. He prioritised the bottom line over the team on the pitch whereas there should always be a balance between the two. He failed to do that and we’re still living with it’s consequences even now. I pray that the Club doe not allow lightning to strike twice.

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    so Jim duffy being interviewed today - john brown and Ivano bonetti already interviewed and did well.

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