O/T Is drink/drug driving on the up again in Rotherham?

[millertop]

...i think it's due to the soft liberal laws nowadays, you reap what you sow.....and it will get worse. With racism being at the fore front these days, don't forget, we haven't stopped any sort of crime, bullying at school and antisocial behaviour anywhere in the world yet.

When things get shoved in your face on TV all the time, people get fed up and idiots react.....and will keep doing.

Kids in Greasbrough schools come round the park picking up rubbish, then at weekends leave it all over again.......

Yep, we have a very soft law and media giving them the attention they crave will not help at all.

[millertop]

Not drink driving in Rotherham, but -

Ipswich Town footballer James Norwood banned from driving for 40 months, & fined £5,000
after being found guilty of drink driving, at 3am in the morning on 30 August 2020.
A member of the public tipped police off, regarding Norwood driving his car after a drink.
He also had prosecution costs of £750 & a victim surcharge of £190.
Footballer Paul Mullin was a passenger in the car, plus 2 young ladies it was reported.

Yes I read that but didn’t know he had passengers, shouldn’t they have received a fine for getting in the car if knowingly?

[KerrAvon]

...i think it's due to the soft liberal laws nowadays, you reap what you sow.....and it will get worse. With racism being at the fore front these days, don't forget, we haven't stopped any sort of crime, bullying at school and antisocial behaviour anywhere in the world yet.

When things get shoved in your face on TV all the time, people get fed up and idiots react.....and will keep doing.

Kids in Greasbrough schools come round the park picking up rubbish, then at weekends leave it all over again.......

It's a bit of a cop out to blame soft laws for two reasons.

1. Our laws aren't soft. We send a larger proportion of our population to prison than most other European countries - about twice as many as Germany and a third more than France for example.

2. It's societal and individual attitudes that say that drink driving is okay. We have all sat in the pub with someone playing the numbers game - trying to work out how many drinks they can have whilst staying under the limit. How many of us have challenged that behaviour, which tacitally accepts that drink driving is ok provided that you try to keep your alcohol level below an arbitrary limit? How many of us have done it ourselves?

Where English law is soft is on the permitted alcohol level - 80mg/100ml of blood compared to 50mg or lower in the rest of Europe, So our arbitrary limit is significantly higher than the rest of Europe's

[KerrAvon]

Yes I read that but didn’t know he had passengers, shouldn’t they have received a fine for getting in the car if knowingly?

Why would you do this?

If you could prove that a passenger encouraged another person to drive whilst over the limit then they could be prosecuted as aiders and abbettors, but accepting a lift does not increase the risk of harm to other road users.

The penalty would come if the drunk driver crashed and the passenger was injured; his claim against the driver's insurance would be reduced or eliminated by his assumption of the risk (volenti non fit injuria as lawyers like to say - or so I hear).

[Brin]

Do you drink Brin? 😉

🤣

[ilikecarling]

[QUOTE=KerrAvon;39818659]It's a bit of a cop out to blame soft laws for two reasons.

1. Our laws aren't soft. We send a larger proportion of our population to prison than most other European countries - about twice as many as Germany and a third more than France for example.

2. It's societal and individual attitudes that say that drink driving is okay. We have all sat in the pub with someone playing the numbers game - trying to work out how many drinks they can have whilst staying under the limit. How many of us have challenged that behaviour, which tacitally accepts that drink driving is ok provided that you try to keep your alcohol level below an arbitrary limit? How many of us have done it ourselves?

Where English law is soft is on the permitted alcohol level - 80mg/100ml of blood compared to 50mg or lower in the rest of Europe, So our arbitrary limit is significantly higher than the rest of Europe's[/QUOTE

No wonder, most of Europe’s criminals are in these shores taking the pee at our soft laws an soft police.

[Grist_To_The_Mill]

Meanwhile, life sentence let out early

https://news.sky.com/story/colin-pit...lenge-12354840

Fancy him as a neighbour or sat next to you at the NYS?

[Brin]

Meanwhile, life sentence let out early

https://news.sky.com/story/colin-pit...lenge-12354840

Fancy him as a neighbour or sat next to you at the NYS?

Where's the 'Star Chamber' when you need it?

[gm_gm]

It's a bit of a cop out to blame soft laws for two reasons.

1. Our laws aren't soft. We send a larger proportion of our population to prison than most other European countries - about twice as many as Germany and a third more than France for example.

2. It's societal and individual attitudes that say that drink driving is okay. We have all sat in the pub with someone playing the numbers game - trying to work out how many drinks they can have whilst staying under the limit. How many of us have challenged that behaviour, which tacitally accepts that drink driving is ok provided that you try to keep your alcohol level below an arbitrary limit? How many of us have done it ourselves?

Where English law is soft is on the permitted alcohol level - 80mg/100ml of blood compared to 50mg or lower in the rest of Europe, So our arbitrary limit is significantly higher than the rest of Europe's

Could it be we catch twice as many and therefore prosecute twice as many OR do other countries let twice as many off at court stage?

[KerrAvon]

Could it be we catch twice as many and therefore prosecute twice as many OR do other countries let twice as many off at court stage?

Neither or both might be factors.

Neither would support a 'soft laws' argument.