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It confirms that the club or DCC can ask people to wear masks as a condition of entry. It says "face coverings must be worn by staff and visitors in public facing roles"

Sorry, you're wrong. No visitor to Dens, who is there to support the team only, is in a public facing role. That part of the guidance means stewards would need to wear the face covering, presumably to give them some level of perceived protection in their role, but not the fans.

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Not meaning to argue with you as you're actually delivering some good info - buuuutttt

What is the massive hole between the South Stand and the pitch which leads to multiple possible exits from the stadium in the event of an emergency if not a huge fire exit? If there's a fire or other emergency situation in there will Jim's Gestapo be stopping people leaving the stand by that route. To be honest I wouldn't be surprised to see them try but in reality they'd look as daft doing it as the Wembley steward who tried to stop Leonardo Bonucci getting back to the pitch on Sunday - and they'd likely be running in the opposite direction anyway.

But we are not talking about an emergency here but I'm not sure what you are meaning. ASDA don't use their emergency exits unless there is an emergency to evacuate the 500 ins store as was mentioned. We are talking about entry and exit from the South Enclosure and without a one way flow. The club will have the permitted 4000 fans in two stands and won't be using the main stand either

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Sorry, you're wrong. No visitor to Dens, who is there to support the team only, is in a public facing role. That part of the guidance means stewards would need to wear the face covering, presumably to give them some level of perceived protection in their role, but not the fans.

Aren't visitors facing other members of the public and should staff have an expectation to be protected by customers wearing masks?

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But we are not talking about an emergency here but I'm not sure what you are meaning. ASDA don't use their emergency exits unless there is an emergency to evacuate the 500 ins store as was mentioned. We are talking about entry and exit from the South Enclosure and without a one way flow. The club will have the permitted 4000 fans in two stands and won't be using the main stand either

Just that you said there's only one exit from the Derry then you said ASDA has the same but has fire exits. The Derry also has fire exits.

At any one time there could be more people in ASDA than there would be in the Derry with social distancing. ASDA copes very well with this situation but Dundee FC can't?

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3 little words.

I AM EXEMPT

Stops this in its tracks.

I think you can sue anyone personally for up to 7k if they deny you access.

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And just to add it was DCC that insisted the main exit from the Derry was shut and everyone had to funnel through a 12 foot wide gap.

Cudnt make this **** up.

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Just that you said there's only one exit from the Derry then you said ASDA has the same but has fire exits. The Derry also has fire exits.

At any one time there could be more people in ASDA than there would be in the Derry with social distancing. ASDA copes very well with this situation but Dundee FC can't?

No the point was there are separate exit and entry points at ASDA and when I said 500 wouldn't be leaving ASDA at the same time you said what about a fire - I pointed out there would be fire exits. this is two separate things. You brought up a fire to try and trip me up. I didn't mention any emergency situation which would be completely different for exiting Dens or ASDA eg they'd use the fire exits

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Aren't visitors facing other members of the public and should staff have an expectation to be protected by customers wearing masks?

No, visitors are not fulfilling a public facing role - that's whether they're facing other members of the public, players or stewards or not. All they're doing is watching a game of football, they're not engaged by the club in the role of fan.

If I'm sitting in the back row of the Coxy and a steward is standing at the bottom watching for any trouble am I going to put them at risk by not wearing a face covering? No.

Fans have the option to wear a face covering to protect themselves and others, most wouldn't as they won't be compelled to and they know it's pointless.

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No the point was there are separate exit and entry points at ASDA and when I said 500 wouldn't be leaving ASDA at the same time you said what about a fire - I pointed out there would be fire exits. this is two separate things. You brought up a fire to try and trip me up. I didn't mention any emergency situation which would be completely different for exiting Dens or ASDA eg they'd use the fire exits

There aren't separate entry and exit points in ASDA or Tesco or any supermarket. There's one entry / exit point with a flimsy barrier defining one direction of flow for entry and another for exit.

In a typical football match the flow is only ever in one direction - inward at the start and, for sake of argument, for the first 20 minutes of the game. This direction of flow is reversed 20 minutes from the end until the place is empty so never cross.

In the event of any emergency both sites could empty very effectively and the in flow direction of ASDA is immediately reversed to allow out flow to seed the exit.

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The club have been stonewalled by the council at almost every step regarding getting fans in and they weren't wanting to let fans in to the play off - the club had to speak to the Scot govt. DCC said they'd had no written confirmation from Holyrood that 500 fans can get in despite it being all over the media.

The club are still getting stonewalled by DCC but the good news is they have sanctioned 2000 at the Forfar game and 4000 from the St Mirren game onwards until further notice. This is a third of capacity more or less and will allow all season tickets holders in.

There is no reason why the club wouldn't want more fans in as it is costing money not to surely. The club have been banging their head against a brick wall with DCC since May.

The club is being stonewalled by DCC because there are a lot of DCC dab supporting councillors.
It will be interesting to see what happens if Dundee United FC ask for a increase in the number of spectators admitted to Tannadice which is 50% of their seated capacity.
If it is granted then we will know that the DCC bosses and councillors are biased against Dundee Football Club.