Is recruitment likely to drive ground improvement

[SBRed48]

Who has said the next owner must be a person from Barnsley or a Barnsley fan Nudge ?

It's a line often used by Conway lovers

As far as I have read we have got a free transfer from Motherwell, a youngster loan from the City Group, a youngster loan from Bayern,.two undisclosed fee signings from Standard Liege and Toulouse and an undisclosed fee signing from Burnley. The cost of these will be covered by compo for Ismael and Murray as well as not paying wages for Mowatt, Dike, Thomas,Aitchinson,Kane, Moon, Miller,Ritzmaier, Christie Davies, Schmidt, McGeehan, Simoes, Green, Addai with money to spare. Conway is pillocking you that we have spent money, in fact we are in surplus on player movements

[Young_Nudger]

It’s not difficult to understand why they bought the club.
A Championship club with no debt and sold for relatively peanuts.
With a prize of £100 million if they can get into the league above.

All they needed to do was introduce a business plan.
It’s a simple plan that takes the club away from hiring loan players and paying out £££millions on journey men.
That strategy has been tried for decades and it causes more clubs to fail than to succeed - see S6.

Our strategy is different - and it’s taking football supporters and pundits time to try and work it out.
Its all based on identifying young talent and then developing them.
As the players are developing - the team is getting stronger.
As the team gets stronger some of those improving young players will be sold and others brought in - but the momentum is still rolling forward.
That momentum will eventually get us to striking distance of the Premier.

There’s genius at work at Barnsley.
I hope it works out for these owners.
It doesn’t matter to me if the owners eventually sell the club and make millions from the sale - because if they do sell the club - then that means of course that someone believes it’s worth buying and investing in.
In other words the club is a business that has players and (hopefully) the ground that are valuable assets.

[Arblasterfromthepast]

It’s not difficult to understand why they bought the club.
A Championship club with no debt and sold for relatively peanuts.
With a prize of £100 million if they can get into the league above.

All they needed to do was introduce a business plan.
It’s a simple plan that takes the club away from hiring loan players and paying out £££millions on journey men.
That strategy has been tried for decades and it causes more clubs to fail than to succeed - see S6.

Our strategy is different - and it’s taking football supporters and pundits time to try and work it out.
Its all based on identifying young talent and then developing them.
As the players are developing - the team is getting stronger.
As the team gets stronger some of those improving young players will be sold and others brought in - but the momentum is still rolling forward.
That momentum will eventually get us to striking distance of the Premier.

There’s genius at work at Barnsley.
I hope it works out for these owners.
It doesn’t matter to me if the owners eventually sell the club and make millions from the sale - because if they do sell the club - then that means of course that someone believes it’s worth buying and investing in.
In other words the club is a business that has players and (hopefully) the ground that are valuable assets.

They could have cleared the decks and done that at any club Nudge. So why Barnsley? I understand the model very well in can assure you.

[SBRed48]

I don't believe in journalists that can't copy and paste SB :-)

Very good examples are Arsenal and Leicester Animal. The best examples of how and how not to do it.

I don't know why PMG bought Barnsley FC. It has something to do with a plan within European football but the nature of the plan still isn't clear to me. I'm not sure that Brexit makes a difference to that plan Yes it's more difficult to bring EU footballers into the club but not impossible. If they do want to make money, then a team in the EFL/Premier league is the way to do it; not in some less well known European league (and yes I know that they made some cash on the French club that they sold but there aren't that many Ineos Jim's about).

I have no reason to doubt what ESR says either because I've noticed over time he is a very reliable source of information.

I hear what people say about the owners buying Barnsley/Oakwell because of the land (and yes SB I know they are reported not to have bought either yet). However, I don't see PMG buying Barnsley FC purely because of the land around Oakwell. They're a sports group not developers. Sport is their business. Before they bought Barnsley, I believe that they were considering buying other clubs including Middlesbrough. I'm not aware, in Middlesbrough's case, whether they have land available for development; I suspect they haven't because the Riverside is a relatively new stadium. I'm sure the reason that they didn't buy Middlesbrough had nothing to do with the lack of availability of land for development.

If they go, they go having moved us forward from where we were when they bought us. I'm not really sure who would want to buy us though because in the current financial climate, any would be investors, probably have the chance to buy a number of other clubs at bargain prices. Is a new owner going to be better? It's down to pot luck in my view and as you say, there's no way the fans can influence that.

Understanding why they bought Barnsley FC is the key to understanding what may happen next. Unfortunately, I've not seen or heard or understood why they did buy Barnsley and we're almost 4 years? into the tenure.

These charlatans are not a sports group Arbs. They are a Consortium of varied business interests-

Chien Lee-owner of New City Capital--Venture Capital, Hospitality (mainly hotel chains) Asset Management and Development
Paul "Arseoyle" Conway--co owner of Pacific Media Group based in Hong Kong--distribution of a variety of media globally
Grace Hung--co owner and President of PMG
Neerav Parekh--Mumbai based data company called v Phrase

[Arblasterfromthepast]

These charlatans are not a sports group Arbs. They are a Consortium of varied business interests-

Chien Lee-owner of New City Capital--Venture Capital, Hospitality (mainly hotel chains)
Paul "Arseoyle" Conway--co owner of Pacific Media Group based in Hong Kong--distribution of a variety of media globally
Grace Hung--co owner and President of PMG
Neerav Parekh--Mumbai based data company called v Phrase

Thanks for that SB, didn't know they had other interests. However, I still don't see that much value in developing the land around Oakwell. We're not talking french Riviera or tourism capital of the UK. And that's not knocking Barnsley in any way because I was born there and love it even though I no longer live there.

[SBRed48]

They are business people here to make money Arbs. They have no emotional attachment to Barnsley FC-

buy the club cheap, invest none of their own money, sell at a higher price

acquire the clubs assets with a "clear title" on the deeds-develop area for profit, mainly residential development

build low cost stadium using loan paid for by club using transfer surpluses or ground share with another club

Ask the OGC Nice fans who demonstrated to get Conway out after he bled the club dry

[Redrascal]

I don’t think what you are saying is being cynical - it’s more like you are being a realist.

I’m honestly flabbergasted at what our supporters want.
Because on the face of it they want someone from Barnsley that’s similar to Patrick, a supporter who is willing to invest - but that person has to be worth £££Billions.
It ain’t gunna happen.

As far as I’m concerned I’m not bothered one bit that these owners are not Barnsley fans.
Which owners of clubs in the Championship are fans of the club they own?
All I’m bothered about is that we have owners that take the club forward.
And they are doing that brilliantly.
As a good example of this - they haven’t sold players - and during this transfer window they are only one of a handful of Championship clubs that’s actually spent money bringing players in.
What more can we ask for !?!?!

I wouldnt be bothered about a tarn fan owner being a billionaire,ad just like tarn fan owner or owners what would like to do wat this lot are doing now,and id like to think it would be possible,even if a set of our fans got there heads together to use the clubs finances to purchase the club,having said that,surely this lot want prem football,and they have moved us forward.

[Young_Nudger]

They could have cleared the decks and done that at any club Nudge. So why Barnsley? I understand the model very well in can assure you.

They tried to get other Championship clubs - I think they were close at Hull and Middlesbrough.
But thankfully for us they ended up at Barnsley.

I think Barnsley was a perfect match for these owners - because Patrick and James knew they couldn’t continue down the line of trying to bring in tried and tested players.
That strategy resulted in Keith Hill saying Barnsley were shopping at Lidl’s.

So Patrick and James started to change things - and these owners have built on what was started.

Football club owners have lost millions - and as the saying goes - if you want to turn a rich man into a poor man - then ask the rich man to buy a football club.

Im guessing that our owners dont see it that way.
I think they see the enormous amount of silly money swilling about in football - and they have bought a club cheaply and are developing young players so they can tap into that silly money.
And while developing players - the club is becoming stronger and also increasing in value.
It’s a win win for the owners.
And as the players increase in value it’s a win win for the supporters.

[pass_and_move]

They are business people here to make money Arbs. They have no emotional attachment to Barnsley FC-

buy the club cheap, invest none of their own money, sell at a higher price

acquire the clubs assets with a "clear title" on the deeds-develop area for profit, mainly residential development

build low cost stadium using loan paid for by club using transfer surpluses or ground share with another club

Ask the OGC Nice fans who demonstrated to get Conway out after he bled the club dry

Just out of interest I looked up the cost of building a new stadium.

Rotherham's 12000 capacity New York stadium cost 20m to build in 2011

Wimbledon's new Plough Lane 9000 capacity cost 30m in 2017

Brentfords new 17000 stadium cost 70m in 2020

Shrewsbury's 10000 New Meadow cost 11m in 2006

Colchester's 10000 cost 15m in 2008

York City paid 40m for their new 8000 capacity stadium in 2021

Donnys 15000 capacity Keepmoat stadium cost 20m to build in 2006

A conservative estimate to relocate BFC to a 15000 capacity new stadium would be around 30 million judging by the cost of those modest stadiums I mentioned. I reckon that'd be going rock bottom cheap too. I wonder how much the land around oakwell is worth?

[Arblasterfromthepast]

They are business people here to make money Arbs. They have no emotional attachment to Barnsley FC-

buy the club cheap, invest none of their own money, sell at a higher price

acquire the clubs assets with a "clear title" on the deeds-develop area for profit, mainly residential development

build low cost stadium using loan paid for by club using transfer surpluses or ground share with another club

Ask the OGC Nice fans who demonstrated to get Conway out after he bled the club dry

Well time will tell SB. I understand what you're saying, but it just doesn't stack up for me.