Those of you who had Covid....

[ozleeds]

Cheers Hopey, Its not just the granddaughter though - thats the problem - she has been in contact with her extended family, My son, daughter in law, her parents and cousins who met up for a barbeque - from all over the country this weekend, so my catching Covid could quickly have infected a dozen or more others, so, bad as I feel with the covid, and from passing it to her, the guilt of infecting so many inadvertently is the worst bit!

The world is opening up as we have known humans to be humans we can never contain it. It will take who it wants and give it to whomever it wants.
There is no way to know if you have covid or just a head cold or flu but again with covid people don't show symptoms until it's too late.
Yesterday over here I broke down reading news as a young woman with covid lived long enough to give birth and die as she held the newborn.
None one's fault it is what it is and feeling sorry won't change anything as this is going to happen over and over.
Sorry you have gone through this turmoil in your life and hope everyone you have been with comes through this ok.

[WTF11]

Cheers Hopey, Its not just the granddaughter though - thats the problem - she has been in contact with her extended family, My son, daughter in law, her parents and cousins who met up for a barbeque - from all over the country this weekend, so my catching Covid could quickly have infected a dozen or more others, so, bad as I feel with the covid, and from passing it to her, the guilt of infecting so many inadvertently is the worst bit!

FWIW, you won't be alone In having met up with friends/family not knowing you are infectious but asymptomatic. The good news in the UK at least is that infection rate rises (the rate in Readng has ballooned since the Reading festival), aren't leading to large rises in very poorly people (of all ages) or in huge increases in hospital admissions. We're now at 90% single and more than 80% double vaccination levels and the health chief in West Berkshire (covering Reading), has said that the majority of hospitalisation are for non-vaccinated people. Vaccination at any level helps, irrespective of which vaccine has been administered.

Also, it continues to be the case that "youngsters" (my grandkids are 13 and 10, both have had the virus, neither thankfully were badly affected), continue to show relatively little in terms of serious illness, I hope yours are amongst the vast majority who fall into that favoured group.

Live long and prosper.

[hopelesslyoptimistic]

FWIW, you won't be alone In having met up with friends/family not knowing you are infectious but asymptomatic. The good news in the UK at least is that infection rate rises (the rate in Readng has ballooned since the Reading festival), aren't leading to large rises in very poorly people (of all ages) or in huge increases in hospital admissions. We're now at 90% single and more than 80% double vaccination levels and the health chief in West Berkshire (covering Reading), has said that the majority of hospitalisation are for non-vaccinated people. Vaccination at any level helps, irrespective of which vaccine has been administered.

Also, it continues to be the case that "youngsters" (my grandkids are 13 and 10, both have had the virus, neither thankfully were badly affected), continue to show relatively little in terms of serious illness, I hope yours are amongst the vast majority who fall into that favoured group.

Live long and prosper.

What he said and also if you get the virus as a youngster it will boost your immunity next time - a lot of governments will be reaching a crossroads on this. The science says you can’t stop it spreading or with the latest variants (so don’t feel guilty Tichi) so it is about boasting immunity whether via exposure, vaccines or most likely both.


Keep safe Tichi and hope family and friends are okay too.

[spaldy]

Cheers Hopey, Its not just the granddaughter though - thats the problem - she has been in contact with her extended family, My son, daughter in law, her parents and cousins who met up for a barbeque - from all over the country this weekend, so my catching Covid could quickly have infected a dozen or more others, so, bad as I feel with the covid, and from passing it to her, the guilt of infecting so many inadvertently is the worst bit!

Your grandaughter will be fine. My wife is a pediactric nurse. Most kids have very light symptoms and recover quickly. Her patients are transplant patients and, as bad off as they are, many survive. A cold will kill some of them at the wrong time of the recovery.

Don't beat yourself up. It's endemic in the world right now and will be with us the rest of our lives. It's also an animal resevoir virus so it has spread throughout the animal kingdom, of which man is one, and will continue to do so. we will all be exposed to countless variations in our lifetime. Just have to hope a really lethal one does not develop.

As long as you have labs developing deadly viruses with no accountability we'll continue to have incidents like this. Truly awful.

[ozleeds]

Your grandaughter will be fine. My wife is a pediactric nurse. Most kids have very light symptoms and recover quickly. Her patients are transplant patients and, as bad off as they are, many survive. A cold will kill some of them at the wrong time of the recovery.

Don't beat yourself up. It's endemic in the world right now and will be with us the rest of our lives. It's also an animal resevoir virus so it has spread throughout the animal kingdom, of which man is one, and will continue to do so. we will all be exposed to countless variations in our lifetime. Just have to hope a really lethal one does not develop.

As long as you have labs developing deadly viruses with no accountability we'll continue to have incidents like this. Truly awful.

I see another new variant in the USA they say is way worse than Delta when will this end the culprits being punished. Also, I hear the USA knew in advance what was going on I wahoo but just like china kept it quiet.

[WTF11]

I see another new variant in the USA they say is way worse than Delta when will this end the culprits being punished. Also, I hear the USA knew in advance what was going on I wahoo but just like china kept it quiet.

Think this I what you refer to;

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn...ner/index.html

Not as bad as Delta, and unlikely to be the last we have to deal with. Chill, get vaccinated, STAY vaccinated via boosters when offered, apply common sense to your behaviour and (easy to say, hard to do), get used to Covid and the variants we will get, just as we have over nearly a century with flu.

[ozleeds]

Think this I what you refer to;

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn...ner/index.html

Not as bad as Delta, and unlikely to be the last we have to deal with. Chill, get vaccinated, STAY vaccinated via boosters when offered, apply common sense to your behavior and (easy to say, hard to do), get used to Covid and the variants we will get, just as we have over nearly a century with flu.

no this

The Mu variant of Covid – which scientists say has “greater transmissibility” than Delta – has now been detected in 49 US states and 42 countries, as health officials keep an eye on the strain to see if it becomes dominant.

The strain, also known as B.1.621, was first identified in Colombia in January and was added to the World Health Organisation’s (WHO) “variants of interest” list, however, all but one US states and the District of Columbia have since detected the strain, with the exception of Nebraska, according to estimates compiled by Outbreak.info.

Dr. Anthony Fauci, the government’s leading infectious disease expert, on Sunday said the delta variant accounts for more than 99 per cent of the cases. The Mu variant has mutations that “indicate that it might evade the protection from certain antibodies.”

[spaldy]

Saint Fauci authorized and gave money to the chinese wuhan lab for gain of function. He did it since it's illegal to do it in the US. He's denied it all along as well as provided cover for the chinese who released this on the world. He is a scumbag of the highest order telling the country to wear their 2-3 masks and get vaccinated. It eventually will get out but the "journalists" will cover it up and put stories about Kim Kardashian's cellulite instead of one of the worlds biggest scandals in the last 100 years.

And people wonder why no one has any trust in the vaccine???? The same people that turned a virus into a killer and released it on the world are the one's developing the vaccine and we should all just believe them? The vaccine may be effective but trust, once lost, is very hard to regain.

"Here, just hop in this cattle car and we'll take you to a nice clean shower at your new home".

[WTF11]

Saint Fauci authorized and gave money to the chinese wuhan lab for gain of function. He did it since it's illegal to do it in the US. He's denied it all along as well as provided cover for the chinese who released this on the world. He is a scumbag of the highest order telling the country to wear their 2-3 masks and get vaccinated. It eventually will get out but the "journalists" will cover it up and put stories about Kim Kardashian's cellulite instead of one of the worlds biggest scandals in the last 100 years.

And people wonder why no one has any trust in the vaccine???? The same people that turned a virus into a killer and released it on the world are the one's developing the vaccine and we should all just believe them? The vaccine may be effective but trust, once lost, is very hard to regain.

"Here, just hop in this cattle car and we'll take you to a nice clean shower at your new home".

Sorry Spaldy, you're dead wrong in terms of those developing vaccines. there may well be labs in china doing so, but the VAST majority of production of ALL vaccine types worldwide has been on the back of work done in laboratories a million miles (metaphorically speaking) from Chinese intervention/interference, Pfizer, Astra-Zeneca etc etc and the world-class scientists working for them are not lackeys of the chinese.

With you absolutely on the media and their obsession with non-entities, but thats because its easy news, not hard journalism, hasn't it really always been so, just that the advent of "social media" (If ever anything was mins-named, it's that phenomenon!) has made it easier for deadheads to be heard (see my other post regarding the speech by Sacha Baron Cohen to the ADL)?

[hopelesslyoptimistic]

Separate issue I think WTF - Fauci was hauled before Congress I think and the accusation was his department was funding the research in Wuhan at the lab where some in the US believe the virus escaped from.

The questions were pointed but the responses were very evasive - again, it was often ever thus.

Summary of latest published research

Israel - naturally acquired immunity provides better protection than full vaccination.

Canada - published last week in the BMJ - full vaccination is much better than no protection at all

UK - published in BMJ - Pfizer and AZ don’t really stop transmission but do significantly protect the individual

UK published BMJ - risks of side effects from vaccines analysed and for most side effects not very different to the normal prevalence in the population as a whole. In any event for the unprotected the risks of those same conditions are way way highwr.

Ergo - COVID 19 will be around for a while as we can’t stop transmission.

Individual protection is key. If you have had COVID and recovered you will have good immunity but getting the vaccine will be better still and protect you even more. If you have the vaccine you are likely to COVID if you live as normally as allowed but the vaccine should stop you getting COVID badly (unless you have other risk factors) and when you get it once you recover you will be better protected.

If you are not naturally immune and unvaccinated you are taking bigger risk than you need to so just get vaccinated so you have as much protection as you can when you get exposed.

Testing those without symptoms will become
leas important - we don’t test people without flu for flu!