O/T:- Come on Emma!

[Magpies1959]

I thought the most amazing thing about the final was, considering how hard both girls were hitting the ball, there were very few shots that ended in the net. I think these two could be giving us great tennis matches for years to come, hopefully Emma will be on the right side of the result in the majority of them.

[jackal2]

As I believe the kids say, ‘LMFAO’.

It’s alright Jackal, I’ve worked out you, Farage, the Express and others on here actually love immigrants, as long as they’re grand slam winning tennis champions who didn’t come in on boats. Your tolerance is exemplary.

My tolerance is exemplary, when it comes to dealing with your intolerance of any view that doesn't match yours.

[Elite_Pie]

As I believe the kids say, ‘LMFAO’.

It’s alright Jackal, I’ve worked out you, Farage, the Express and others on here actually love immigrants, as long as they’re grand slam winning tennis champions who didn’t come in on boats. Your tolerance is exemplary.

A valid point. I would take issue with jackal saying "Nobody was disputing her Britishness, nor for that matter disrespecting her Chinese and Romanian heritage". That may be true, but as BFP says would it have been the same if she was't a British grand slam winner? There are thankfully an ever decreasing number of people who 'don't want bloody foreigners in our country'. There would have been a few more of them 16 years ago when a Romanian bloke and a Chinese woman chose to settle here. Their bigotry could have denied us one of the most amazing sporting moments in our lifetimes.

[upthemaggies]

A valid point. I would take issue with jackal saying "Nobody was disputing her Britishness, nor for that matter disrespecting her Chinese and Romanian heritage". That may be true, but as BFP says would it have been the same if she was't a British grand slam winner? There are thankfully an ever decreasing number of people who 'don't want bloody foreigners in our country'. There would have been a few more of them 16 years ago when a Romanian bloke and a Chinese woman chose to settle here. Their bigotry could have denied us one of the most amazing sporting moments in our lifetimes.

If the question of immigration being a good or a bad thing comes down to one single immigrant doing something spectacular that everybody takes notice of, then I dare say the majority would forego Emma's fine achievement in favour of a large number of children still being alive today who attended the pop concert in Manchester a few years ago only to get blown up. I wouldn't personally base my opinion on what one or two individuals do. I'm not really sure where I stand on the issue because it's very complicated, there are pro's and cons and then there is the question of how many is too much or too little.

[jackal2]

Good summary, and where she goes from here will be very interesting to watch. She has the world at her feet, but the problem could be that it's not only in a tennis sense. I really hope her future isn't sidetracked by commercial interests, because she can earn more than enough by concentrating on her real career. I think the women's game is at the changeover stage, and she seems to possess every quality required to be at the forefront of the next generation.

Yes the commercial temptation is huge, and she's very marketable. You only have to look at what happened to someone like Anna Kournikova or Genie Bouchard to realise how quickly a player's career can go off track if they get beguiled by advertising, modelling, social media and the like. I suspect however that Bouchard's ego was far more susceptible to the trappings of fame, and maybe Kournikova's too.

That said, Bouchard and Kournikova have probably made far more money out of marketing themselves than what they could have won in prize money if they had fulfilled their supposed potential. There's an argument to say that if the money is there to be made, you take it while you can, because one injury could end a sporting career at any time. Did they 'fail', or just succeed in a different game?

When push comes to shove, what will matter more to Emma Raducanu? Making hay (money) while the sun shines or focusing entirely on her sport in the hope of playing for many years and building an outstanding legacy? I'd like the answer to be the second option, but you can't blame people for taking the first.

[BigFatPie]

My tolerance is exemplary, when it comes to dealing with your intolerance of any view that doesn't match yours.

Hmm. You supported the anti immigrant Brexit, and the anti immigrant Conservative party, and the anti immigrant Trump. Do you not think it’s reasonable to take your support for an immigrant tennis player with a largish pinch of salt? Do you not find Farage’s tweets frankly embarrassing?

Have you worked out yet what makes an immigrant ‘illegal’?

[laddo]

I have the ability to ask her that question but understandably won't.

However I'm reliably informed that she is all about the tennis, she's too young to know much else and hasn't had the fame and fortune during her tennis career prior to this year's Wimbledon.

Her agents and representatives on the other hand may view it very differently as she will be in huge demand from now on and seek to cash in when she is red hot.

Only time will tell, and it will be enjoyable to watch what happens in the upcoming years. Whatever happens she's a history maker.

[upthemaggies]

Going by a quick google of her background, I'm assuming her family are quite wealthy and probably vote Tory. She may be left handed but if politics come first, you're most likely supporting a right winger Oh, and Romania allied itself with Nazi Germany.

[keldsyke]

I’m surprised Johanna Konta’s past hasn’t been dragged up yet not that it matters.

As I’ve said earlier there’s none as intolerant than those who preach and shout intolerance as this thread has proved.

[jackal2]

Hmm. You supported the anti immigrant Brexit, and the anti immigrant Conservative party, and the anti immigrant Trump.

Apparently you don’t understand the difference between controlling immigration to a greater or lesser degree (which are both pro-immigration policies) and stopping it, which is obviously ‘anti-immigration’. Except of course you do, but it suits you to over-simplify.

Do you not think it’s reasonable to take your support for an immigrant tennis player with a largish pinch of salt?

No I don’t, but since when were you reasonable? My support for Emma Raducanu, as a British tennis player, is genuine. I hope this would be obvious to most posters reading back through my earlier posts from the night of the final, before you belatedly arrived the next day, well after the event, with your bigoted agenda.

Do you not find Farage’s tweets frankly embarrassing?

No. I didn’t write them for him so why would I be embarrassed? I’m not even on Twitter!

Have you worked out yet what makes an immigrant ‘illegal’?

I almost forgot your attempt to obfuscate by seeking to drag the issue off into the vaguery of international law, which rarely gives clear guidance on anything and for that reason is pretty much followed or disregarded by countries/governments of all political persuasions as and when it suits them.

Far more relevant is UK law. I believe UK immigration rules/laws should be enforced and adhered to. Those laws may be loosened or tightened by whichever Government is in power at a given time, and that’s decided democratically by UK voters, including those who have previously arrived and settled in the country by virtue of those laws. They might elect a party which advocates tighter immigration controls or weaker immigration controls, but none of the main parties likely to win an election in this country are ‘anti-immigration’.

Emma Raducanu was born in 2002 and reportedly arrived in this country when she was two years old (i.e. circa 2004), so that would be when the Blair Government was determining the rules of immigration. Wikipedia tells me that both of her parents worked in the finance sector and I’ve not seen anything to suggest that they didn’t immigrate according to the law at that time. Emma was raised, educated and trained in Britain and as such, she is a British tennis player we are all entitled to support. Even those of us who have the temerity not to vote the way BFP would wish.