Tuesday Tin-pot Trophy

[crookadile]

Anyone out there know the answer?

Does anybody care?

[crookadile]

And here's another question .... is tonight's game on iPlayer ?

I presume you mean iFollow. Yes it is £10, same as a league game.

[clarkey1974]

Are we already through irrespective of the result against the nappy wearers, given we've won two out of two already, or not?

A win,a draw even with a loss on penalties and we win the group and get a home draw in the next round

A defeat with an 8 goal swing would see us finish in second place and an away tie in next round

A defeat tonight and a Doncaster win combined with above achieving a 15 goal swing altogether and we are out…

I seemingly have got too much time on my hands and could have easily just said yes..!..😜.

[caytonmiller]

Yes I did. We had a mixture of experienced players and a handful of younger guys. But they are our first team players, we don't roll them out just to have a kick about with some older lads. They're first teamers.

Vs scinny we had hull, Bola, gratton durose, exton, wiles, Johanson, Edmonds green, oddofin all under 23. Don't you think it's a good run out for these players and a mix of first teamers will bring these players on. Where else will they get the experience?

[caytonmiller]

Well if they are competing against league 1 and 2 players, albeit with mixed results, that would suggest some of them are capable of playing at our level on a consistent basis. Some won't but many will. Neither. I wish for them to already be at lower league clubs plying their trade until they are ready to play higher up. Who should they replace? Whoever they're better than. Improving the pyramid with better players spread throughout.

How would anyone know if they are good enough to play in the lower leagues if they don't compete in cups like these. Thats prob why most are not going out on loan as league 1 and 2 can only have 5 loan players and why should they take a chance on a player they can't see play or a player who only plays against kids. Playing the under 23s from prem clubs imo could help the lower league clubs by putting these players on show. Let's be honest, they are not sending the players and staff to away days in this cup for the cash.

[Beaufighter]

The way I view this trophy is this, even if I’m in a minority of 1.

When it started as the Associate members cup and for all the time it was only for L1 and L2 (or their equivalent) teams I was all for it. For many seasons I was frustrated that we never got anywhere in it, and in 96 I was as joyous at Wembley as any of the 20k that went to watch us.

When they talked of “expanding the competition” I thought ‘great, get the conference clubs in it as well’. But no, they went the other way and added Premier League juniors to it.

In the 80’s our reserves competed with the likes of Liverpool and Man Utd reserves in the Central League and used to do well. These days our FIRST team is expected to play against their JUNIORS! not even reserves. If that’s not a massive insult to a whole swathe of professional clubs, I don’t know what is.

A century ago County played in the Midland League and won it 4 times on the trot. Also in that league were Wednesday and Sheff Utd Reserves. Through sweat, toil and near bankruptcy RUFC earned the right to compete with these clubs as equals. Why the hell should any league club be deemed worthy of only facing an U21 side? As soon as this change was brought about, my interest in this competition was dead.

[caytonmiller]

I get your point beau. I remember it being introduced for the poor teams who didn't have a chance of winning the other cups to then stand a chance of winning sumat. Was that patronising?
Why do non league teams have to qualify to join the fa cup? Why not just stick every team in the hat and if ebsfleet draw man u then that's the draw. Why do people object to the big teams breaking away from the premier League and forming a super League.

[Beaufighter]

But in both those situations you described, we are talking about first teams (whether individual clubs choose to honour that is another discussion). The fact that that this Trophy actually enshrines in its rules that the Prem teams are playing their U21 sides AND that no L1 or L2 team is permitted to the same is a disgrace. Why not have an U21 cup allowing 2 overage players for every team? The inequality in football has always stunk. But writing it into the rules is another level imo.

[clarkey1974]

The way I view this trophy is this, even if I’m in a minority of 1.

When it started as the Associate members cup and for all the time it was only for L1 and L2 (or their equivalent) teams I was all for it. For many seasons I was frustrated that we never got anywhere in it, and in 96 I was as joyous at Wembley as any of the 20k that went to watch us.

When they talked of “expanding the competition” I thought ‘great, get the conference clubs in it as well’. But no, they went the other way and added Premier League juniors to it.

In the 80’s our reserves competed with the likes of Liverpool and Man Utd reserves in the Central League and used to do well. These days our FIRST team is expected to play against their JUNIORS! not even reserves. If that’s not a massive insult to a whole swathe of professional clubs, I don’t know what is.

A century ago County played in the Midland League and won it 4 times on the trot. Also in that league were Wednesday and Sheff Utd Reserves. Through sweat, toil and near bankruptcy RUFC earned the right to compete with these clubs as equals. Why the hell should any league club be deemed worthy of only facing an U21 side? As soon as this change was brought about, my interest in this competition was dead.

They did try with the top half of the conference clubs in mid 2000”s to fill the shortfall at least it was straight knock out and no byes or groups…but clubs said they was losing money by just hosting night games Against even less supported teams so they disbanded that idea…

Clubs had a vote on 3 options for future format the other year….the u21”s idea,keep it as it was with 8 byes both north and south to second round and the rest playing in first round.or disband the completion altogether….it was close until they suggested 10k a win with the u21”s included and that what they voted for…

[Beaufighter]

It’s just my belief that first teams are allowed to play in first team comps and U21’s play in U21 comps and so on. It’s nothing more than a ‘reserve cup’ anyway,( introducing U21 sides made it that, whatever the intention may have been) so they should allow all teams to pick any side they like.