The Corona Virus

[Balanbam00]

Not exactly BT : ( I see that you have not studied this socio -economic theory ) There has to be leadership! Prout wants spiritual moralists to lead society. Look what happens when we give it to Tom, Dick and Harry ,just as todays leadership. ( Caribbean business anyone?) Serving the society - no way ,its how can I fill my pockets! And I am sure you know more examples.

https://www.proutglobe.org/wp-conten...cle-Manual.pdf

Inside:
Human Society and Progress, The Social Cycle, Proutist Economics, Agriculture, Industry, and Services, The Political Dimension of PROUT, The Cultural Dimension of PROUT, Integrated Proutistic Solutions, The Five Fundamental Principles of PROUT, PROUT Compared with Capitalism and Communism.

“PROUT is the path of socio-economic emancipation for humanity. PROUT should go side by side with the psychic approach of Neohumanism. Neo-humanistic ideas give human beings the impetus to move. They create a longing for subtler pabula (food, nourishments), and those pabula are supplied by PROUT. The spirit is to maintain a balance between the physical and psychic worlds and take human beings to the threshold of spirituality.
- P.R. Sarkar, 1989

....and an alternative is???

[sinkov]

Rise up and protest against this state inspired control and coercion.

There really is no other way my mate.

Simply not going to happen mon ami, most people get their news from our state broadcaster, the BBC, and although it's incredible to me, they believe every word they're told. Lie after lie after lie, and they suck it all up, they really do believe it. We're fecked.

Baaaaa......

[Balanbam00]

Sinkov : Life has lead me to ask myself about that simple question. ''What is life?'' All these changes I have been through, I came to think there is only one real simple question ,that is ''Does God exist?'' Answer this, and life has a different perspective. In Britain some will be facing hardships ,some not. People will rise up when they start to suffer, and from now, people will start to suffer more and more. The world is moving through a change, there is no going back. We will see great changes but as you say some people have this apathy, like ''I don't care ,I don't care''. When people start to feel this state of impoverishment, it will happen.

''Just watch the movie happening before your eyes'' !

[sinkov]

"People will rise up when they start to suffer,"

This is the crux of it though balan, we might be living in a capitalist system, we might have clowns running the government, we are being lied to on an epic scale, but the number of people suffering, actually suffering, really suffering is vanishingly small. Until that alters there will be no uprising.

[Untinted Glasses]

Scary times but more and more people are becoming wise to the situation.

[sinkov]

What do you make of this Balan ?

"Could this Jewish ban on Covid vaccines turn the tide?"

https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/...turn-the-tide/

[The Bedlington Terrier]

What do you make of this Balan ?

"Could this Jewish ban on Covid vaccines turn the tide?"

https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/...turn-the-tide/

Extremely interesting read is this one sinkov...

‘It is best to err on the side of caution and abstain from taking the injection, rather than endangering one’s life by performing an action that can engender immediate and direct harm. Especially since there are other medical treatments that work . . . and that are not harmful.’

More or less what I have been saying (along with many others), ever since they started this mass roll out.

[Balanbam00]

These are the very religious Jews what we call 'Heradim', they have different sects different groups ,and depending to some extent what their leader says ( the Rabbi ).Of course this is in the states.
I want to say that the 'Heradim', the 'Datiim' and the 'Masortim,' all different religious Jews ,I stay completely away from these 'nutcrackers' .
I would just say a little about each group, the 'Heradim',are the most religiously devout group in Israel, with 96% saying religion is very important in their lives, compared with 30% of all Israeli Jews. The word “Haredi” literally translates to “trembling” or “fearing God,” and most Haredim live their lives secluded from the rest of society. They have few close friends outside their own group, and they generally oppose intermarriage with other Jewish subgroups. Haredim tend to dress more conservatively, often including large black kippas and shtreimel or fedora hats for men and wigs or other head coverings for women. Haredi men are much more likely to attend religious educational institutions (yeshivas), which also has traditionally exempted them from the mandatory military requirements that other Israeli citizens face – something that has been a recent topic of controversy in Israeli politics. Fully 83% of Haredim favor keeping these exemptions, but less than half of all other Jewish subgroups agree. Haredim are more ambivalent about the state of Israel than other Jews in some ways, because some have long felt there should not have been the establishment of a formal Jewish state before the arrival of the Messiah. For example, Haredim are far less likely than other Israeli Jews to identify as Zionists.

The 'Datiim' are nearly as religiously devout as the Haredim. About nine-in-ten of those surveyed from both groups say they are absolutely certain in their belief in God, and nearly all surveyed from either group say they do not travel by car, train or bus on the Sabbath, in accordance with Jewish law. However, Datiim – sometimes described as modern Orthodox Jews – are much more integrated in modern Jewish society. For instance, Datiim are more likely than Haredim to say they value career success and world travel. And Dati men are much more likely to serve in the Israeli military than Haredi men. Dati citizens also tend to be active in Israeli politics. A majority among Datiim describe themselves as part of the political right, and fully 71% agree that Arabs should be expelled or transferred from Israel, significantly more than any other Jewish group. They also are more likely than those in the other three groups to say building Jewish settlements in the West Bank helps Israel’s security.

Then there are the 'Masortim' are the most diverse of the four Jewish groups. They encompass a large middle ground between the two Orthodox groups and secular Jews. About half (51%) say religion is somewhat important in their lives, as opposed to very important (32%) or not too/not at all important (16%). While the three other Jewish groups often have strong opinions on one side or another on many issues relating to religion and public life, Masortim are generally much more divided. For example, while strong majorities of both Haredim and Datiim favor shutting down public transport during the Sabbath and over nine-in-ten Hilonim Jews oppose it, Masorti respondents are split on the issue (44% are in favor and 52% oppose). Masortim also are more likely to have Jewish friends from outside their group than the other three who, for the most part, socialize with members of their own community. According to surveys conducted over time.

Then we have the 'Hilonim', who tend to be secular in their outlook, are by far the largest Jewish group in Israel, making up roughly half of Israeli Jews. Only 18% are absolutely certain in their belief in God, and 40% do not believe in God at all. Hilonim strongly favor the separation of religion from public life in Israel. For example, they overwhelmingly oppose shutting down public transportation during the Sabbath. Hilonim are the only Jewish group in Israel among whom a majority (59%) say their Israeli identity comes before their Jewish identity. At the same time, overwhelming shares of Hilonim say they are proud to be Jewish and believe a Jewish state is necessary for the survival of the Jewish people. Large majorities of Hilonim say they partake in Jewish rituals, but these include events that could be seen as cultural rather than religious, such as lighting Hanukkah candles or attending a Passover Seder. These views reflect the fact that 83% of Hilonim see being Jewish as a matter of ancestry and culture rather than as a matter of religion. Hilonim also overwhelmingly say all or most of their close friends are like them (secular), and they are also especially likely to marry within their own group.

There is an article in npr.

How Israel Persuaded Reluctant Ultra-Orthodox Jews To Get Vaccinated Against COVID-19/

https://www.npr.org/2021/04/22/98881...ed-against-cov


On Dec. 13, a week before Israel launched its national vaccination campaign, top health officials approached senior rabbis in the predominantly ultra-Orthodox city of Bnei Brak, asking them to encourage their communities to get vaccinated against COVID-19. But the rabbis wanted to wait and observe the vaccine's effects in Israel and the U.S. before publicly endorsing it, according to a video of the meeting carried by Israeli media.
A week later, though, the influential Belz Hasidic rabbinical court decided to support the vaccines. That decision came after Blumenthal brought in Itamar Grotto, then serving as deputy director general of Israel's Health Ministry, to meet the rabbis. Grotto debunked rumors in the community about the vaccine causing infertility in women — their primary concern.

"The rabbis needed to know one thing, really," Blumenthal says. "A, effectiveness, and B, safety."

The rabbis agreed to be vaccinated — and their adherents followed suit.

Many ultra-Orthodox Jews shun TVs and smartphones, and were not exposed to nightly press conferences from Israel's top health officials. Instead, many stay informed by dialing ultra-Orthodox telephone news hotlines called nayes. Anonymous hotlines began cropping up, with prerecorded announcements warning against the COVID-19 vaccine and sharing anecdotes that claimed, without evidence, that people who got their shots had died.

Most callers to news hotlines use "kosher phones," cellphones owned by about 430,000 ultra-Orthodox Israelis and supervised by a rabbinic council that blocks calls to numbers deemed inappropriate for devout Jews, such as phone *** hotlines and dating services.
Blumenthal convinced the council to place the anti-vaccine hotlines on the kosher phone blacklist. After that, he says, calls dried up, and the hotlines disappeared — as did funding for the posters.

So if interesting please read . (I live on a Kibbutz and far from these Datim.) Quiet different from what happens in the U S .

[The Bedlington Terrier]

The anti-Semitic tone of your post leaves me cold Balan.

[Balanbam00]

Anti Datim, ( Dati , Datim pl),( im forms the plural mas. ot forms the pl fem)

''Are not all religions dogmatic?''

"Modern, educated people must be liberated from all sources of dogma and petty isms. They should reject the worn out shackles of the past and welcome the new dawn with an open mind. This will prepare the way for all-round success in human life, and the attainment of the highest fulfillment."

When any of the dogmatic religions like Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, and Islam etc, divide into various factions then there is no concerted effort to unify all the scattered factions. Each fragment peacefully rallies around their own dogma. So this is all their superficial display of unity.
Mahatma Gandhi once declared, “I do not belong to any religion, I honour all religions”, and in that way he created temples, mosques, etc, where all the dogmatic religions could pray. But the result was not unity. Rather more and more animosity was created as Muslim and Hindu tensions escalated, as they were both encouraged to follow their dogmatic ways. And in the end, Gandhi himself was gunned down by a radical Hindu. Thus his faulty dream of unity just shattered and drowned in the spilling of his own blood.