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[sota]

When all of this is said and done, I hope that food preparers, chefs, cooks, waiters, waitresses and anyone else in the food industry continue to wear masks. I hate a spot of gobbo on my steak, don't you?

[gm_gm]

Personal choice.....
and my choice is to wear one on Public Transport and in Supermarkets etc.
Dirty b@$t@rd$ coughing, sneezing and spreading germs on everyone else.
A big % don't bother sanitising before they go around the Supermarkets, that's before and after.
Some people are walking round with a cough and cold thinking it's the common cold or flu without giving a thought about getting tested to rule COVID out. No wonder it's still spreading .
Wearing a mask may not prevent you catching COVID it will however have an effect on the flu virus giving the NHS a better chance of coping this winter.

Gyms are a breading ground for all sorts of nasties, when they re-opened there was sanitizer everywhere and Id guess 50% wiped down equipment at best, id say that figure is less than 10% now and the sanitizers have gone.

Theres contact points everywhere and what people like John forget is it has to be ingested first (wash your hands remember) but the mask brigade are happy touching everything in sight.

[sota]

John should wear his mask along with his blindfold and he'll be fine.

[KerrAvon]

"Three weeks to flatten the curve", remember that?

Politicians are hooked on power and the population won't do anything without nanny's say so.

Where's the exit strategy?

The Tories are fans of personal freedom and personal choice. They are also beholden to the business interests that fund them. Taken together that has caused them to repeatedly underestimate and/or understate the risks and the difficulties in dealing with Covid.

Politicians are hooked on power? Who would have thought it?

What's the exit strategy of the covid denying/mask rejecting/dodgy website reading, conspiracy theory beleiving loons, gf?

[KerrAvon]

...one thing people on this post forgets.......

......experts built the Titanic, amateurs built the Ark................

If you believe in the Ark and know your Bible, you will be aware that it was built to a specification set out by God. I'm surprised that an Ark believer wouldn't accept God as being an expert.

The Titanic was indeed designed and built by experts. It didn't sink because of a design fault, however. It sank because it's captain faiiled to take heed of warnings (ice) and and adopt simple risk reducing measures. He and many more people died because of his foolishness.

It's good to take lessons from history

[KerrAvon]

Gyms are a breading ground for all sorts of nasties, when they re-opened there was sanitizer everywhere and Id guess 50% wiped down equipment at best, id say that figure is less than 10% now and the sanitizers have gone.

Theres contact points everywhere and what people like John forget is it has to be ingested first (wash your hands remember) but the mask brigade are happy touching everything in sight.

Are you suggesting that mask wearers are more likely to touch objects than non-mask wearers. That's a bit silly, gm.

The research indicates that transmission from objects (fomite transmission) is not a significant factor in the spread of covid. It is primarily an airborne disease - spread by virus containing aerosols exhaled by the infected. Mask wearing and social distancing will necessarily reduce that risk. I don't realy understand the objection to either when the risk is increased as it may be now by the Omicron variant.

[gm_gm]

If you believe in the Ark and know your Bible, you will be aware that it was built to a specification set out by God. I'm surprised that an Ark believer wouldn't accept God as being an expert.

The Titanic was indeed designed and built by experts. It didn't sink because of a design fault, however. It sank because it's captain faiiled to take heed of warnings (ice) and and adopt simple risk reducing measures. He and many more people died because of his foolishness.

It's good to take lessons from history

I agree Kerr that we should learn lessons from history, its too early to pass historical judgement on Covid.

however, Id bet even the most avid covid sycophant would concede the virus cannot distinguish the difference between a bus and a pub.

There's more chance of hitting a wasp with a pea shooter from 100 yards, than these masks offering any virus protection....unless there's a TV camera!

[KerrAvon]

Why does reducing risk matter?

As of yesterday, there have been 597 969 Covid related hospital admissions in the UK. That has been a huge burden upon a healthcare system that has been starved of resources for decades and huige expense to the UK taxpayers who will be paying off the bill for decades. How many more admissions can the NHS take before it collapses?

And bear in mind that when there is a finally an inquiry into the UK's handling of the pandemic, the worst kept secret of the lot will come out - which is that hospital care was rationed during the first wave at least, with some people dying in the community as a consequence.

[gm_gm]

Because we are not reducing the risk, the government are panicking and that makes me uncomfortable.

They are not managing the risks of mental health, food shortages, panic buying, fuel shortages, economic decline, hospital waiting lists, cancer treatments backlogs, operations delayed, dentists waiting lists, children's education......etc..

[KerrAvon]

I agree Kerr that we should learn lessons from history, its too early to pass historical judgement on Covid.

however, Id bet even the most avid covid sycophant would concede the virus cannot distinguish the difference between a bus and a pub.

There's more chance of hitting a wasp with a pea shooter from 100 yards, than these masks offering any virus protection....unless there's a TV camera!

I'm not talking about passing historical judgment. I'm talking about reducing current risk

In general terms you are right that there isn't a lot of difference between a bus and a pub, but in specfic terms there will be significant differences based upon the levels of ventilation, the number of users, the proximity of users and the length of time they are in close proximity.

But where are you going with that arrgument? Are you suggesting that we have to go all or nothing? That if the captain of the Titanic wasn't willing to slow down therE was no point in posting extra look outs and vice versa? That's silly too.

I see that you have swallowed the 'viruses are very small and so there is no point in masks' guff that floats around on Twitter and the like. That would be true if the viruses were exhaled as free particles. They aren't. They are largely exhaled within water droplets (i.e in an aeroosl). Those droplets are millions of times larger than the individul virus and much more likley to be captured.

https://www.bristol.ac.uk/news/2021/...skwearing.html